@benroyce I feel so desperately sorry for this man.
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@benroyce @Remittancegirl He refused the Trump administration. He made the tougher, but morally correct, decision. When no one was watching except his own conscience.
That's what makes a good leader great. What they do when no one is watching.
@isaackuo agreed. Glad you pointed out this history for him. And now this week, Trump is clearly taking revenge.
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This war made Leader from a clown. (I really don't think Zelensky ever was a clown, but he was actor and he played in some funny stuff)
I really apreciate him...and I don't believe/apreciate/support any leader most of the time. (little bit of "punk" is still in my veins)And Clown from a leader. (= putin)
But I've never took putin for a leader of anything, more like mafia boss, even before war. (loong time before that)@FandaSin @Remittancegirl @benroyce Putin seized more power than any one person should have. Zelensky was buried under more responsibility than any one person should bear. And from this we see that the best leadership comes from those who do what is necessary, and not what is personally profitable. The actor background probably means warleader Zelensky is an intentional character, because were I Zelensky the man, I would be weeping rivers of tears, all the time.
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@benroyce @clintruin @quizzicus Thanks, Ben.
I think about the GOP primary in Minnesota leading up to the 2016 Presidential election. The voters voted:
1. Rubio
2. Cruz
3. TrumpIf voters in other states had chosen similarly, we wouldn't be dealing with this particular noxiousness.
Civics matter. Voting matters.
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce never thought an actor-turned-president could earn my respect but here we are
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus Not sure if you saw the news but they divorced 20 years ago.
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@benroyce Take the gloves off. Russia’s were off from the beginning. Take them out. Don’t be nice. Hit hard while the can.
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus Not sure if you saw the news but they divorced 20 years ago.
@pmonks @benroyce @quizzicus
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus If the options are Newsom and the next MAGA cult leader then that course of action would mean that you’re fine with the MAGA cult leader. Is that really your intent?
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@benroyce @quizzicus
"fuck Newsom. but fuck the GOP more. and we better fucking show up in the primaries so it's not Newsom. if we don't, we don't really care about trans people"
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus Which means you’re comfortable for someone far worse in power. You seem to lack understanding of how the US electoral system functions.
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus Ah that explains your lack of understanding of the US electoral system. It is vastly different (and inferior) to more modern systems such as Canada’s.
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@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus As I said earlier - no candidate is perfect. I didn’t vote for Biden in the primary, but I held my nose and voted for him in the general because he was the best of a bad lot of options. That’s usually how voting works - picking the least bad candidate, despite misgivings.
This toxic idealism you and the person you’re quoting are expressing is part of how we got Trump. Twice.
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@benroyce
Here's a look at that deal by Paul Krugman and what it really means:
https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/arithmetic-suffers-from-trump-derangement?r=63j6s&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email -
@clintruin @benroyce @quizzicus My apologies - I thought I was engaging with an adult.
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"Oh gee okay"
That's it?
Do you *want* GOP in power killing trans people? Or do you genuinely fail to make the connection between your intentions and the real world effects of your intentions?
Nevermind: fuck Newsom. So you're voting in the primaries against him
Right?
Answer that question
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"Oh gee okay"
That's it?
Do you *want* GOP in power killing trans people? Or do you genuinely fail to make the connection between your intentions and the real world effects of your intentions?
Nevermind: fuck Newsom. So you're voting in the primaries against him
Right?
Answer that question
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@benroyce @pmonks @quizzicus
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@benroyce this is an excuse to seize SpaceX
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce Zelensky isn't a 'Nazi', but people should critize the Ukrainian government for making the leaders of the OUN/UPA to national heroes. They were Nazis, they slaughtered Jews and Poles before the real Nazis came along and then they helped the Nazis in the Holocaust.
There are also many neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian forces. Let's not belittle ourselves in ignoring this. It's a real problem.
The Ukrainian idoliazation of former OUN/UPA guys is shameful.
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@JackMexa4 @benroyce Zelensky isn't a 'Nazi', but people should critize the Ukrainian government for making the leaders of the OUN/UPA to national heroes. They were Nazis, they slaughtered Jews and Poles before the real Nazis came along and then they helped the Nazis in the Holocaust.
There are also many neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian forces. Let's not belittle ourselves in ignoring this. It's a real problem.
The Ukrainian idoliazation of former OUN/UPA guys is shameful.
@JackMexa4 @benroyce Right now, Ukraine has more important problems, obviously, but we should be critically about everybody if they're neo-Nazis themselve or they're idolializing former Nazis from the OUN/UPA..
Having said this, Zelensky isn't a Nazi, but the question of Nazism will come up in the future. Espacially when Zelensky isn't the president anymore..
