Ah, Germany… once a nation of genocide, always a nation of genocide, apparently.

[xinit@mastodon.coffee]

@aral I guess they didn't need to get AfD in before turning off the Nazi cloaking device.

[digitaltaoist@ieji.de]

@aral
Ironic that it seems to be Germany's guilt over the holocaust that causes its government to support Israel, regardless of the criminality... guilt over genocide causes the aiding and abetting of genocide? Madness.

[delta_fsociety@mastodon.social]

@aral how is it a genocide if their population is growing by almost 2% ?, stop using the word genocide to justify your anti-Jew desires

[nilix@cafe.nilfm.cc]

@aral "Nicaragua’s conduct indicates that it was not interested in hearing Germany’s view on its allegations, but simply in bringing Germany before this court,"

wtf like, no shit nobody wants to hear excuses we want accountability, ffs...

[aral@mastodon.ar.al]

@DigitalTaoist I think you spelled “greed” wrong

Germany is the world’s second largest arms dealer for Israel, right behind the US.

This isn’t just Israel’s genocide. In the words of German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, Israel is “doing the dirty work”* but this is very much a genocide being committed by the West.

* https://www.yahoo.com/news/merz-sparks-backlash-home-saying-133524317.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIxsvwwE-nrYK3P59YRF9Iuv0dKPyvvxboqK0IWGxsQCHgcw93ZrdoXxV45aZs4g_UsSD5V7oSbTzwzGMa8o5-5b2kZzq-4MJNQvTieMCuXUiLi27cM4IUe-DrX-Fu-fXbH0f5O2CvRu0V1wL1V4Nv7GC4Mi9UUUKuAr03IQ5NAW

[bbacc@mastodon.bida.im]

@delta_fsociety since when opposing killing innocent people can be framed as "anti-Jew desires"?

@aral

[mmrnmd@todon.eu]

@aral Yuk !
:-(((

[wronglang@bayes.club]

@delta_fsociety @aral look up the definition of genocide

[delta_fsociety@mastodon.social]

@bbacc @aral innocent arabs live peacefully in Israel, this seems innocent to you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
People who kill gay people, prise a book that commands them to hit their wifes and if the spotted a blasphemous person kill them at sight is innocent to you? Or yall just brainwashed by the Palestine-Islam propaganda?

[karelbrits@mastodon.social]

@wronglang You would think Israelis should know the definition of a genocide very well. Or the definition of antisemitism. They should also know that Arabs are Semites as well. How is defending Semites from being slaughtered antisemitism? And how is committing a genocide on Semites not antisemitism? When you're the oppressor, you can't claim to be the victim when people stand up against the oppressor. And yes, war crimes have been committed by Hamas as well. @delta_fsociety @aral

[bbacc@mastodon.bida.im]

@delta_fsociety what are you talking about? how can you claim that every palestinian killed, including children, were guilty of these crimes? do you have proof?

you've just learned to hate people for their "race". I think it is you who have been brainwashed by propaganda. you think a certain kid of people deserve death. I think this kind of thinking is very dangerous. have you ever talked with a real person, from Palestine? or did you just learn to hate on principle and to enjoy watching innocent people and children die in the name of a fascist ethno state?
we are not talking about an idea; we're talking about real people. could you ever personally pick up a rifle and shoot a father looking for bread for his family? or could you ever push a button that release a bomb on a mother and her child?
1/2
@aral

[messaroundmarx@zirk.us]

@aral
Why use the concept of "nation" when you mean states? It's an ideological construct to subsume a multitude of people under a common concept, in order to control people. A dangerous myth which takes effect only in so far as people believe in it. We shouldn't use it as if it was just a neutral descriptive notion.
Btw: Not all antifascists who have a german passport support Zionism.

[delta_fsociety@mastodon.social]

@bbacc @aral where do u live my friend?

[bbacc@mastodon.bida.im]

@delta_fsociety Italy.
there are many palestinian refugees here, since decades.

@aral

[aadeacon@mastodon.social]

@nilix @aral Germany will be able to explain and defend its actions in court, that is part of a prosecution. The attempts to avoid prosecution does, to my mind, indicate guilt.

[delta_fsociety@mastodon.social]

@bbacc @aral so you don’t have any sense of islam and how islamic countries work, I understand that…I live in iran under Islamic regime where they locked up the children in the minab school near IRGC bases to create a human shield so they can play the victim card afterwards ( I have official video proof of one of the surviving kids ) … and yes I don’t like the kids and innocent childrens to be killed but you should know that’s their filthy strategy 1/2

[delta_fsociety@mastodon.social]

@bbacc @aral to use kids and children’s as a propaganda and victim card tool, killing people is not ok at all Im not defending that.

[aral@mastodon.ar.al]

@messaroundmarx I get your point and agree. However, all the linguistic nitpicking I’m seeing on this subject does feel rather on the nose when weighed against the gravity of a freaking live-streamed genocide that is being actively aided and abetted by our states and our nation-states. Of course “not all” anyone on anything. But you also cannot deny that Germany is fucked up in a very unique way on this issue.

[bbacc@mastodon.bida.im]

@delta_fsociety

hating on corrupted and aggressive theocracy is something we can do together. I am sorry you live under islamic regime. I wish iranian people can be free one day, exactely as I wish palestinian people can be free as well; and not under hamas armed groups but under a civil government.
in the west there has been an anti-iran rethoric for years now, trying to depict iranian people and muslims in general as threatening.
I don't buy that. I hate (all) governments, I know people are different.
And to say that all children dead are a result of a strategy it's too much...israel is targeting all people, even people looking for bread and water.
we can't defend that, regardless of which government does it.
people have to unite against fascism and military violence

@aral

[skaphle@social.tchncs.de]

@delta_fsociety @bbacc @aral Are you saying that a) all islamic countries work the same, i.e. Palestine=Iran, that b) it is acceptable to kill children and other civilians in the presence of military combatants and infrastructure, and that c) Israel's actions in Gaza are always carefully chosen to target the military?

I'm trying to make sense of your argument here because it seems quite beside the point.