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  • drew@gamerstavern.onlineD drew@gamerstavern.online

    @EUCommission parts should be sold at a price that makes repairing financially attractive. Bosch is bundling cheap parts with the most expensive part of their washing machines, making a repair nearly just as costly as replacing the whole machine. That's not viable for repair shops or anyone really.

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    #50

    @Drew @EUCommission actually, kind of "repairability" score (like ifixit do have) would make much more sense...

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    • enea90@mastodon.socialE enea90@mastodon.social

      @EUCommission That's a good step. However, devices can also get obsolete if they no longer receive updates, even if the hardware part works perfectly. This has a name: planned obsolescence. Something needs to be done about this too.

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      #51

      @Enea90 @EUCommission unsupported devices should become automatically FOSS and open.

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      • catha@masto.esC catha@masto.es

        @EUCommission

        May I ask 2 questions please?

        * Have you considered many EU citizen live on an island? So, repair itself might become cheaper, but who is going to pay for the costs for the technician? Especially when it's still under warranty.
        We bought a new laundry machine, although the broken one was still under warranty. But the costs for a technician was almost as high as a new one. New one came in 3 days. Technician and parts would have been in about 10 days ...

        Again: please consider while making your rules and regulations that not everybody in the EU live at the same circumstances, but those EU citizens too do have the same rights!

        2nd: when is there going to be a rule like the c-to-c for phones /chargers for other standard things? Most of those are made in plastic, some even never used because the customer uses/puts the devise/whatever on another possible way.
        I have made a list, if you are interested. That would make a lot less garbage in the world.

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        #52

        @Catha @EUCommission Um, do no technicians live on Ireland, Malta, Cyprus? Kreta? Åland? Saaremaa?

        And this doesn't mean you, the end user, are obligated to use an unaffordable technician. It's just that the devices sold are required to be more repairable than they are now.

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        • the_error@witter.czT the_error@witter.cz

          @Enea90 @EUCommission unsupported devices should become automatically FOSS and open.

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          #53

          @The_ERROR @EUCommission Fair point 👍.

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          • the_error@witter.czT the_error@witter.cz

            @EUCommission Maybe you could just rely on free market itself and instead of adding more mandatory obligations, just make possible create spare parts, service and allow to create whatever parts without need of license/approval to do so? A mandatory revealing schema after some time would be welcome too.

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            #54

            @The_ERROR @EUCommission Ah, the free market... that's known for making things simpler for the users and not at all invested in maximising profit with complete disregard to its customers. Regulations are necessary to keep the "free" market reined in and more in service of the people.

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            • vitor@hachyderm.ioV vitor@hachyderm.io

              @EUCommission What does “Should I Toss My Broken Tech? > Do I hate money? > Yes > A bit!” even mean?

              And what does hating money have to do with repairability?

              I don’t recall the last time I saw such a nonsensical and poorly made decision tree.

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              #55

              @vitor @EUCommission thank you! I thought I was just too stupid to read it until I found your comment 😂

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              • phl@mastodon.socialP phl@mastodon.social

                @The_ERROR @EUCommission Ah, the free market... that's known for making things simpler for the users and not at all invested in maximising profit with complete disregard to its customers. Regulations are necessary to keep the "free" market reined in and more in service of the people.

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                #56

                @The_ERROR @EUCommission Incidentally, requiring the delicensing of parts and repair methods is also an interference in this "free market" — and one that IP holders will refuse to comply with. (though posting schematics with devices sold was extremely common until like the 90s; peculiar...)

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                • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

                  @sodiboo @EUCommission remember europe is the “AI continent” so anything goes

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                  #57

                  @hsza @EUCommission @sodiboo No, you read that wrong. Europe is AI INcontinent.

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                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                    Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                    The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                    ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                    🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                    📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                    📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                    Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                    #58

                    @EUCommission Where can we send our privacy to get it fixed?

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                    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                      Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                      The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                      ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                      🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                      📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                      📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                      Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                      #59

                      @EUCommission Also this is kinda funny in the light of being forced to buy a new phone if I want to interface with my health insurance company, because some "security requirements" enforcing a minimum of Android 14.

                      Because as we all know, even if I could install an off-brand OS on my otherwise perfectly functional device, with proper security updates, it would still be banned by banks and other stuff because it's not Genuine American Corporate Lord Android.

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                      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                        Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                        The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                        ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                        🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                        📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                        📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                        Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

                        kdelta@ieji.deK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #60

                        @EUCommission that image makes absolutely no sense. 🤷‍♂️

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                        • fzer0@nerdculture.deF fzer0@nerdculture.de

                          @raccoon @EUCommission

                          Ya, who repairs my damaged freedoms?

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                          #61

                          @fzer0 @raccoon @EUCommission cheap local repairs? prolly not gonna cut it…

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                          • drew@gamerstavern.onlineD drew@gamerstavern.online

                            @EUCommission parts should be sold at a price that makes repairing financially attractive. Bosch is bundling cheap parts with the most expensive part of their washing machines, making a repair nearly just as costly as replacing the whole machine. That's not viable for repair shops or anyone really.

                            canleaf@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #62

                            @Drew @EUCommission the pixel 7a screen is expensive

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                            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                              Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                              The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                              ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                              🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                              📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                              📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                              Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                              #63

                              @EUCommission The award for the worst infographic, no doubt created by a nonsense engine, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
                              Goes to: The EU Commission and this broken phone-flow chart abomination!

                              Hire an artist next time, they can do infinitely better than anything A.I can put out, and you get a thank you, and kudos points from 600+million citizens because you are supporting human intelligence over the nonsense engine

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                              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                                The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                                ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                                🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                                📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                                📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                                Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                                #64

                                @EUCommission hmmm you better Stop Chat Control and fix EU! #StopChatcontrol #ChatControl

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                                • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                  Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                                  The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                                  ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                                  🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                                  📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                                  📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                                  Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                                  ratshitbow@mastodon.social
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                                  #65

                                  @EUCommission stop chat control first

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                                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                    Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                                    The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                                    ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                                    🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                                    📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                                    📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                                    Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                                    #66

                                    @EUCommission WHEN? I have this fridge-freezer I can no longer find insulation joints for (at least not at a price where it isn't cheaper to buy new).
                                    Price needs to be factored in. Sod new models with built-in obsolence, improve the old olds.

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                                    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                      Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                                      The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                                      ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                                      🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                                      📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                                      📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                                      Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                                      #67

                                      @EUCommission

                                      Good news!

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                                      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                        Your phone breaks. Your washing machine gives up. Somehow, buying new seems cheaper than repairing.

                                        The EU is making the Right to Repair the new standard in Europe.

                                        ✅Repairs must be offered even after your warranty ends
                                        🔧Parts must be available after the model is no longer sold
                                        📅Choose repair under warranty and get an extra year of legal coverage
                                        📍An EU platform will help you find local repair shops and fair prices

                                        Less waste, more repairs. Good for your wallet, even better for the planet.

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                                        #68

                                        @EUCommission Well, washing machines are very much repairable with parts that cost just few € even today. The problem is, ever since everyone replaced stainless steel tubs with plastic ones, just replacing the drum bearings has become such crazy time consuming and labor intensive task because you need to lift entire drum, tub and motor assembly out of the chassis. It used to be so much easier before... But it's so much easier and cheaper to manufacture...

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                                        • dtmonterrey@mast.linuxgamecast.comD dtmonterrey@mast.linuxgamecast.com

                                          @hotelbreakfast @EUCommission

                                          I think that law applies to all new appliances introduced from July 1st 2023. From what year is your phone?

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                                          #69

                                          @dtmonterrey @EUCommission
                                          2019, coming update would be the last major software update I expect anyway.

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