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  • pecet@f3d1.euP pecet@f3d1.eu

    @joho Scan your face or upload id if you have different political opinions than ruling party.

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    #29

    @pecet @joho actually having non-approved opinions has been banned. -5000 social credit, please check in at the local reeducation center.

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    • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

      Age verification ...

      #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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      #30

      @joho

      anonymizing money (crypto) = good
      anonymizing people (privacy) = bad

      huh????

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      • iju@mastodon.socialI iju@mastodon.social

        @gullok @Nawer_Rapter @joho

        It is. This isn't about pedofiles per se, but that kids are using Meta's services before they're of minimum age (iirc 13...16 depending on location). As Meta's services are repeatedly proven to be bad for mental health by design (as happy people don't spend monies), they can't fix the root cause.

        So instead of overhauling their systems to be healthy, they're trying to get everyone to give them their IDs.

        It's essentially the same discussion as with tobacco.

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        #31

        @iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho argh, but then, if we imagine that they would revamp their system to be healthy, vulnerables would just migrate to another addictive platform. I would like to see this kind of algorithm effect being forbidden for social media somehow

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        • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

          @davey_cakes @joho your argument is pretty broad, like this is about having all of your life data somehow being uploaded (fun fact, big tech already does a pretty good job with this for profit).

          but at the same time it is pretty clear that fascism can pop up out of nowhere and then such data could be brutally misused indeed.

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          #32

          @gullok @joho

          One of the problems the new approach causes is that there are a lot of people, who neither of us would consider criminals, who have gone to great lengths to try and remain safe, and this breaks that for them.

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          • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

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            #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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            #33

            @joho and let us brick anyone's phone

            ... if the London Met Police get their way.

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            • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

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              #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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              #34

              @joho

              We are heading towards a Dystopian Surveillance society with no privacy rights.

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              • danish_akhtar7@mastodon.socialD danish_akhtar7@mastodon.social

                @joho

                We are heading towards a Dystopian Surveillance society with no privacy rights.

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                #35

                @danish_akhtar7 I'm afraid we're already there, the rest is just theory (IMHO).

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                • gullok@mastodon.socialG gullok@mastodon.social

                  @iju @Nawer_Rapter @joho argh, but then, if we imagine that they would revamp their system to be healthy, vulnerables would just migrate to another addictive platform. I would like to see this kind of algorithm effect being forbidden for social media somehow

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                  #36

                  @gullok @iju @joho Probably the most reliable way and correct way to read all this issue is through the lenses of "if it is problematic for children,it can be problematic for everyone, and thus requires a solution to a problem, rather than a vet of the entire topic"
                  The true issue at hand here is: gambling mechanisms to get money, and segregation to get money.
                  The true problem to solve is that the way the world we built pays better for optimizing evil than anything else
                  Sex is it's another story

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                  • nawer_rapter@mastodon.socialN nawer_rapter@mastodon.social

                    @gullok @iju @joho Probably the most reliable way and correct way to read all this issue is through the lenses of "if it is problematic for children,it can be problematic for everyone, and thus requires a solution to a problem, rather than a vet of the entire topic"
                    The true issue at hand here is: gambling mechanisms to get money, and segregation to get money.
                    The true problem to solve is that the way the world we built pays better for optimizing evil than anything else
                    Sex is it's another story

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                    #37

                    @gullok @iju @joho the excuse of sex, most of the time (if not the entire time) is used to specifically harm two communities: women who have found a kind of work that is safer than it's previous iterations (webcam prostitution vs actual physical prostitution) and queer people. The queers has always been the primary target for saying "kids should never have ever any knowledge about sex or they turn queer and evil and queer and non-christian". Just change "sex" for "queer" and boom, all logical.

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                    • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

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                      #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                      #38

                      @joho
                      And then harmful sites suddenly incude anything content that doesnt fit the oppressive christian nationalist worldview or corpo agenda. It is just a dangerous slide into total censorship.

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                      • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

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                        #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                        #39

                        @joho It does make sense for the first two tho. Or am I wrong?

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                        • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

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                          #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                          #40

                          @joho Hopefully if this happens tor usage will kick up and people will just start hosting their websites as hidden services.

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                          • crisps@mastodon.socialC crisps@mastodon.social

                            @joho It does make sense for the first two tho. Or am I wrong?

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                            #41

                            @crisps I think that's part of the problem. We, as a society, have failed to keep up with the rapid development of privacy intrusive billion dollar corporations (and government agencies) who, at their core, exploit human rights, such as the right to privacy.

                            Now the legislative branches and governments are trying to pretend they have a solution to a very difficult problem.

                            This is a double edged sword, to say the least.

                            (IMHO, of course)

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                            • nawer_rapter@mastodon.socialN nawer_rapter@mastodon.social

                              @gullok @iju @joho the excuse of sex, most of the time (if not the entire time) is used to specifically harm two communities: women who have found a kind of work that is safer than it's previous iterations (webcam prostitution vs actual physical prostitution) and queer people. The queers has always been the primary target for saying "kids should never have ever any knowledge about sex or they turn queer and evil and queer and non-christian". Just change "sex" for "queer" and boom, all logical.

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                              #42

                              @gullok @iju @joho The duality of sex being both a taboo and a thing that everyone does leads to very confusing nonsensical things.What I would call "mystification" (make it obscure but with a lot of silent rules), akin to religious practices from secretive cults. Just on a global scale.
                              The relationship of children, teenagers and younger people with sex is currently as contradictory as I explained above and only harms them. Demystifying sex is probably the first step to solve that.

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                              • nawer_rapter@mastodon.socialN nawer_rapter@mastodon.social

                                @gullok @iju @joho Probably the most reliable way and correct way to read all this issue is through the lenses of "if it is problematic for children,it can be problematic for everyone, and thus requires a solution to a problem, rather than a vet of the entire topic"
                                The true issue at hand here is: gambling mechanisms to get money, and segregation to get money.
                                The true problem to solve is that the way the world we built pays better for optimizing evil than anything else
                                Sex is it's another story

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                                #43

                                @Nawer_Rapter @iju @joho this is a great way to explain the issue!

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                                • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

                                  @crisps I think that's part of the problem. We, as a society, have failed to keep up with the rapid development of privacy intrusive billion dollar corporations (and government agencies) who, at their core, exploit human rights, such as the right to privacy.

                                  Now the legislative branches and governments are trying to pretend they have a solution to a very difficult problem.

                                  This is a double edged sword, to say the least.

                                  (IMHO, of course)

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                                  #44

                                  @joho but isn't age verification done for keeping kids away from the harmful stuff? Although I'm not sure about how effective it really is. I think they do it avoid responsibility when kids access those sites.

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                                  • joho@mastodon.onlineJ joho@mastodon.online

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                                    #privacy #privacymatters #ageverification #socialmedia #surveillance #dataskydd #dataprotection #gdpr #deepstate

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                                    #45

                                    @joho People cannot even agree on "adult sites"

                                    The Vatican probably has a box of marble penises somewhere after Pope Pius IX (r. 1846-1878) had them removed from statues and replaced with leaves because it was "obscene"

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