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  3. The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

    The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

    The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

    What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

    #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

    sebastian@mastodon.com.plS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #7

    @_elena so many aliases! I have much more less and consider, what should I do. Maybe can you share yours ideas how to resolve it?

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    • C closeted_unionist@mastodon.social

      @_elena I find it ironic proton fight big tech by using big tech (ie claude). Any alternatives? I was hoping for proton to be a more viable alternative to gsuite

      Edit: typo

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      #8

      @closeted_unionist huh I do not use Claude. I picked ProtonMail 6 years ago because of its reputation for security and privacy and moved there from Google. I did not expect the company to take such a turn (in 2020 LLMs were not a thing)

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      • C closeted_unionist@mastodon.social

        @_elena I find it ironic proton fight big tech by using big tech (ie claude). Any alternatives? I was hoping for proton to be a more viable alternative to gsuite

        Edit: typo

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        #9

        @_elena sorry typo

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

          The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

          The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

          What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

          #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

          paulk@writing.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #10

          @_elena Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.

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          • sebastian@mastodon.com.plS sebastian@mastodon.com.pl

            @_elena so many aliases! I have much more less and consider, what should I do. Maybe can you share yours ideas how to resolve it?

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            #11

            @sebastian so I read reports by people who used a free account for a month and then did not pay that aliases ALLEGEDLY still work, even when plans expire. Still, I want to create a personal system where I do not rely on one big company for such a key feature.

            I'm happy I never used ProtonDrive and ProtonPass, that's for sure.

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            • paulk@writing.exchangeP paulk@writing.exchange

              @_elena Aye, this shocked me a big one too. I don't use their mail option a lot but I have Proton Pass. Seriously considering the move back to KeepassXC now.

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              #12

              @paulk totally understand, ESPECIALLY for something as sensitive as passwords. They've lost my trust... the only way forward for them is to fire Andy Yen AND their AI-pilled CTO. This is catastrophic for their image and reputation, I don't see any other way to recover

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              • andycarolan@social.lolA andycarolan@social.lol

                @_elena i should add that I managed to convince my wife and son to do the same. Best decision ever.

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                #13

                @andycarolan amazing! I grabbed a domain name for my child a month after she was born and I will definitely encourage her to use it - when she's old enough

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                  The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                  The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                  What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                  #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                  mpospese@mountains.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #14

                  @_elena may I ask what provider(s) you’re considering next? I also need to get off Proton.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                    The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                    The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                    What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                    #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                    wonkothesane@mstdn.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #15

                    @_elena I’m in the exact same situation and I’m kicking myself because when I decided to de-google and move to Proton I was aware of custom domains but it seemed like to much to learn at the time. Now I have a million alias through SimpleLogin (a service I’ll really miss) and I’m not sure how to handle that

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                    • C closeted_unionist@mastodon.social

                      @_elena I find it ironic proton fight big tech by using big tech (ie claude). Any alternatives? I was hoping for proton to be a more viable alternative to gsuite

                      Edit: typo

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                      #16

                      @closeted_unionist
                      I'm kind of between proton and tuta right now. Tuta is useable, but you need to pay a couple Euros month for anything about the very basics (like search!) google etc has really conditioned us (me) to expect things for free, backed by surveillance.

                      I actually started to move because there's an annoying bug they don't care to fix, ironically.

                      And I can 95% recommend addy.io if you're lazy to run your own domain stuff.

                      @_elena

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                      • leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.euL leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.eu

                        @_elena I'm still cleaning up all my proton stuff and I fear the transfer a bit, but in the coming months I'll move over to dutch provider @soverin keeping my own domain(s), but only after total clean-up of all aliases and gmail-remnants.

                        I never realised I had to many accounts and subscriptions: I'm on a digital cleanse it seems

                        ngel@ruby.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #17

                        @leonieke @_elena @soverin what made you choose them between other alternatives? I’m thinking on moving away from proton also.

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          @paulk totally understand, ESPECIALLY for something as sensitive as passwords. They've lost my trust... the only way forward for them is to fire Andy Yen AND their AI-pilled CTO. This is catastrophic for their image and reputation, I don't see any other way to recover

                          marc_eu@mastodon.greenM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #18

                          @_elena @paulk
                          There's a list of EU alternatives, but there should also be a list of products and services that don't push AI in development.

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                            The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                            The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                            What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                            #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                            ngel@ruby.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @_elena I’m in a similar scenario. Just weighing alternatives. Any thoughts?

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                              The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                              The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                              What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                              #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                              michelpatrice@jasette.facil.servicesM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #20

                              @_elena

                              "The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road."

                              "La route est longue, mais la voie est libre."(Framasoft)

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                              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                @andycarolan amazing! I grabbed a domain name for my child a month after she was born and I will definitely encourage her to use it - when she's old enough

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                                @_elena That's awesome!

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  The journey of tech empowerment and liberation from tech bros can be a long, bumpy road.

                                  The biggest tech regret of my adult life is that I didn't use a custom domain name as my main email address, so that when things invariably go south, I can simply hop to a new email provider.

                                  The hundred or so email aliases I made with #Proton are a real headache right now. Time to clean up my mess.

                                  What am I talking about? This ICYMI: https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

                                  #NoAI #enshittification #ProtonMail

                                  hrafnagud@niflheim.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #22

                                  @_elena Next one, unfortunately. Liked the idea that Proton transported years ago but although I like Mail and VPN there, I am glad to use my own domains AND a service like @mailbox_org here in Germany. The numbers of trustful services seem to decrease week by week at the moment, that’s a sad fact.

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    @paulk totally understand, ESPECIALLY for something as sensitive as passwords. They've lost my trust... the only way forward for them is to fire Andy Yen AND their AI-pilled CTO. This is catastrophic for their image and reputation, I don't see any other way to recover

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                                    #23

                                    @_elena Too bad as they were off to a good start. They now seem to be set for a 'good end'.
                                    Really glad I once did the exercise to move once before, to test KeepassXC.

                                    Indeed, a clean slate would be best for them, but the damage is done. That goes fast and reaches far.

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                                    • ngel@ruby.socialN ngel@ruby.social

                                      @_elena I’m in a similar scenario. Just weighing alternatives. Any thoughts?

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                                      @ngel I'm waiting to see how Proton reacts to this catastrophic, reputation-destroying story. If Yen and the AI-pilled CTO step down, I may consider sticking around. My unlimited plan renews in May.

                                      For the time being I am changing my "from" email address and using a custom domain name to make the transition easier... I'm also looking at Tuta (where I already have an account)

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                                      • ngel@ruby.socialN ngel@ruby.social

                                        @leonieke @_elena @soverin what made you choose them between other alternatives? I’m thinking on moving away from proton also.

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                                        #25

                                        @ngel I like that they're NL-based, combined with the fact that @bitsoffreedom use their services 🙂

                                        @_elena @soverin

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          @ngel I'm waiting to see how Proton reacts to this catastrophic, reputation-destroying story. If Yen and the AI-pilled CTO step down, I may consider sticking around. My unlimited plan renews in May.

                                          For the time being I am changing my "from" email address and using a custom domain name to make the transition easier... I'm also looking at Tuta (where I already have an account)

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                                          #26
                                          @_elena@mastodon.social @ngel@ruby.social In case you're not aware, Tuta is flirting with using AI too and already has a bit: https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/117518311002072172
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