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  3. Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

    Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

    Think about it

    webbop@tech.lgbtW wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.socialW deepbluev7@nheko.ioD booboo@mastodon.unoB anthrazit@mastodon.socialA 25 Replies Last reply
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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

      Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

      Think about it

      webbop@tech.lgbtW This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @eniko @EUCommission Oh btw @servo is kind of that, it's based entirely in the EU and is supported by the Linux Foundation, it's made from the ground-up in Rust, no other browser engine!

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      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

        Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

        Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

        Think about it

        wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @eniko @EUCommission (coughs politely) LibreWolf (cough)

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        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

          Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

          Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

          Think about it

          deepbluev7@nheko.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu It would need to be some independent entity. Otherwise they will build age verification and scanning into the browser accidentally. The barrier would be too low, imo.

          But something like sovereign tech fund funding a browser seems quite reachable, but the mozilla foundation sadly doesn't really accept funding for developing the browser (to my knowledge)...

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          • wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.socialW wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.social

            @eniko @EUCommission (coughs politely) LibreWolf (cough)

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            #5

            @wyatt_h_knott @eniko @EUCommission librewolf is not the solution. It's a lightweight fork. A real hard-fork is needed for real change and to make a good browser against google and mozillas wills

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            • joshix@fosspri.deJ joshix@fosspri.de

              @wyatt_h_knott @eniko @EUCommission librewolf is not the solution. It's a lightweight fork. A real hard-fork is needed for real change and to make a good browser against google and mozillas wills

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              #6

              @joshix Fair enough. I only suggested it to illustrate that there are plenty of ways to get free of surveillance, people are doing it all over the place.

              @eniko @EUCommission

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              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                Think about it

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                #7

                @eniko @EUCommission

                It would be enough to fork it. I've been saying this forever.

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                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                  Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                  Think about it

                  anthrazit@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @eniko @EUCommission
                  Vivaldi is a better browser than Firefox and european as well.

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                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                    Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                    Think about it

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                    #9

                    @eniko Somewhat not entirely in favor of this, due to the whole "WebPKI vs eIDAS QWACS" thing (i.e. Firefox as the "EU browser" would probably lose the sovereignity that it currently has in terms of which "trusted" CAs it bundles by default, and even though I have a positive view of eIDAS for document signing and user auth and such, I feel like it has no business touching web server certs)

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                    • anthrazit@mastodon.socialA anthrazit@mastodon.social

                      @eniko @EUCommission
                      Vivaldi is a better browser than Firefox and european as well.

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                      #10

                      @anthrazit don't think chrome in a different jacket buys a lot of sovereignty

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                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                        Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                        Think about it

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                        #11

                        @eniko @EUCommission

                        Problem is , EU it self doesn't follow its own rules, it is becoming authoritarian soon,

                        EU is on its way to soften up GDPR, the laws for groceries,
                        It soon starting with the age verification app.

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                        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                          Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                          Think about it

                          t_var_s@phpc.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission The EU is a lawyer-powered organisation. Talk to China if you want any engineering done.

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                          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                            Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                            Think about it

                            bartv@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @eniko @EUCommission oh! And we could call it Firefeux (“feux” meaning fires in French)

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                            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                              Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                              Think about it

                              konstruct@woof.techK This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                              Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                              • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

                                @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                                Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                                #15

                                @konstruct @EUCommission this would also be an acceptable outcome

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                                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                                  Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                                  Think about it

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                                  #16

                                  @eniko I do not Ursula von der Leyen to have control of my web browser. No way.

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                                  • webbop@tech.lgbtW webbop@tech.lgbt

                                    @eniko @EUCommission Oh btw @servo is kind of that, it's based entirely in the EU and is supported by the Linux Foundation, it's made from the ground-up in Rust, no other browser engine!

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                                    #17

                                    @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                                    Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                                    • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

                                      @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                                      Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                                      #18

                                      @konstruct @eniko @EUCommission Servo banned LLMs?
                                      And servo is written in Rust, right?
                                      Let's see for how long that will hold.

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                                      • t_var_s@phpc.socialT t_var_s@phpc.social

                                        @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission The EU is a lawyer-powered organisation. Talk to China if you want any engineering done.

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                                        #19

                                        @t_var_s @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission China? I think that in Hong Kong and Taiwan they have a different feeling.

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                                        • booboo@mastodon.unoB booboo@mastodon.uno

                                          @eniko @EUCommission

                                          It would be enough to fork it. I've been saying this forever.

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                                          #20

                                          @booboo @eniko @EUCommission And this would be a better idea than buying an US based company to develop EU software.

                                          Oh well, then why not simply fund and support #LibreWolf which is already hosted on #Codeberg and developed in Europe?

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