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  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
    aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

    #germany #eu

    lyrial@transfem.socialL sortius@infosec.exchangeS ujay68@mastodon.worldU anarchiv@todon.nlA walfischbucht@norden.socialW 14 Replies Last reply
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    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

      Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

      #germany #eu

      lyrial@transfem.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
      lyrial@transfem.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?

      mvsde@mastodon.socialM aral@mastodon.ar.alA prefec2@norden.socialP 3 Replies Last reply
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      • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

        Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

        #germany #eu

        sortius@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @aral saw that one pop up and thought "Oh, just like Israel"

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        • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

          Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

          #germany #eu

          ujay68@mastodon.worldU This user is from outside of this forum
          ujay68@mastodon.worldU This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @aral If you asked German men of that age, I’d be surprised if even one in tens of thousands knew this.

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          • lyrial@transfem.socialL lyrial@transfem.social

            @aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?

            mvsde@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @lyrial @aral Here’s the German law (in German, but auto-translate probably works fine). The relevant section starts with (2).

            https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html

            lyrial@transfem.socialL geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG maik73@mastodon.socialM 3 Replies Last reply
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            • mvsde@mastodon.socialM mvsde@mastodon.social

              @lyrial @aral Here’s the German law (in German, but auto-translate probably works fine). The relevant section starts with (2).

              https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html

              lyrial@transfem.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @mvsde@mastodon.social @aral@mastodon.ar.al Thanks. I know remedial German, but the translation is gonna be a trip.

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              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                #germany #eu

                anarchiv@todon.nlA This user is from outside of this forum
                anarchiv@todon.nlA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @aral I'm genuinely beginning to wonder if this applies to me, I've been residing in another country for more than five years but I still have German citizenship.

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                • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                  Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                  #germany #eu

                  walfischbucht@norden.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @aral

                  Ah, yes.
                  But 1)_they haven't even implemented -any- procedure for this yet. (Dep. of Def. wouldn't know on which pile/in which file your notification goes.)

                  And 2) you have to notify, yes, but the law doesn't (yet) provide any means to deny absence.

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                  • anarchiv@todon.nlA anarchiv@todon.nl

                    @aral I'm genuinely beginning to wonder if this applies to me, I've been residing in another country for more than five years but I still have German citizenship.

                    jhamre@oslo.townJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @anarchiv @aral huh. I didn't think about that at all.

                    I'm a dual citizen and haven't had residency in Germany for eight years now, so I didn't think it applies. But maybe that's not specified anywhere?

                    Sure as hell it applies to my brother, who lives in Berlin but is going to move to Oslo in summer. Feels completely surreal.

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                    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                      Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                      #germany #eu

                      regendans@todon.euR This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @aral It's a requirement for World War Three, as we cannot have one without Germany /s

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                      • jhamre@oslo.townJ jhamre@oslo.town

                        @anarchiv @aral huh. I didn't think about that at all.

                        I'm a dual citizen and haven't had residency in Germany for eight years now, so I didn't think it applies. But maybe that's not specified anywhere?

                        Sure as hell it applies to my brother, who lives in Berlin but is going to move to Oslo in summer. Feels completely surreal.

                        anarchiv@todon.nlA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @jhamre @aral What an awkward time to live in...

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                        • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                          Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                          #germany #eu

                          nemeciii@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @aral nice. Finland doesn't have that and we have a long border with Russia and Russian army bases just behind the border.

                          Of the fighting age? What's the fighting age in Germany 18-45?

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                          • lyrial@transfem.socialL lyrial@transfem.social

                            @aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?

                            aral@mastodon.ar.alA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @lyrial See alt text.

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                            • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                              Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                              #germany #eu

                              webhat@infosec.exchangeW This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @aral yeah, I think it's a bit more nuanced in practice. They've had a similar law on the books for years, from my understanding, and it's just a rubber-stamp. They officially need to ask for permission, and because there is no active war the Bundeswehr officially has to give them permission

                              Ukraine has a similar law, and because they are at war they won't give permission

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                              • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                                #germany #eu

                                ali@leftist.networkA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @aral
                                Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.

                                But never people.

                                And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.

                                It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."

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                                • lyrial@transfem.socialL lyrial@transfem.social

                                  @aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?

                                  prefec2@norden.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @lyrial @aral it is true. When one is below 45 years and wants to leave for more than 3 months, one requires a permit. Whether that would hold up before the supreme court is to be seen. For that they have to enforce it and one guy must sue.

                                  It is a disgrace.

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                                  • ujay68@mastodon.worldU ujay68@mastodon.world

                                    @aral If you asked German men of that age, I’d be surprised if even one in tens of thousands knew this.

                                    prefec2@norden.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @ujay68 @aral the law was enacted in January, but the media only started to report it a couple of days ago. No one has read the new law. I doubt that in parliament many have read it. Some claim that it is in violation of EU law, but I am not really sure.

                                    What we need is a man between 17 and 45 who wants to leave the country for more than 3 months, for example a student.

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                                    • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                                      Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                                      #germany #eu

                                      osma@mas.toO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      This is a bog standard thing in countries where there is compulsory military service
                                      https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
                                      @aral

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                                      • nemeciii@mastodon.socialN nemeciii@mastodon.social

                                        @aral nice. Finland doesn't have that and we have a long border with Russia and Russian army bases just behind the border.

                                        Of the fighting age? What's the fighting age in Germany 18-45?

                                        osma@mas.toO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        Finland absolutely does have that.
                                        https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
                                        @nemeciii @aral

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                                        • mvsde@mastodon.socialM mvsde@mastodon.social

                                          @lyrial @aral Here’s the German law (in German, but auto-translate probably works fine). The relevant section starts with (2).

                                          https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/__3.html

                                          geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @mvsde @lyrial @aral That's rather sexist.

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