Wow, such democracy.
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@aral It's a requirement for World War Three, as we cannot have one without Germany /s
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@anarchiv @aral huh. I didn't think about that at all.
I'm a dual citizen and haven't had residency in Germany for eight years now, so I didn't think it applies. But maybe that's not specified anywhere?
Sure as hell it applies to my brother, who lives in Berlin but is going to move to Oslo in summer. Feels completely surreal.
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@aral nice. Finland doesn't have that and we have a long border with Russia and Russian army bases just behind the border.
Of the fighting age? What's the fighting age in Germany 18-45?
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@aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?
@lyrial See alt text.
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@aral yeah, I think it's a bit more nuanced in practice. They've had a similar law on the books for years, from my understanding, and it's just a rubber-stamp. They officially need to ask for permission, and because there is no active war the Bundeswehr officially has to give them permission
Ukraine has a similar law, and because they are at war they won't give permission
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@aral
Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.But never people.
And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.
It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."
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@aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?
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@aral If you asked German men of that age, I’d be surprised if even one in tens of thousands knew this.
@ujay68 @aral the law was enacted in January, but the media only started to report it a couple of days ago. No one has read the new law. I doubt that in parliament many have read it. Some claim that it is in violation of EU law, but I am not really sure.
What we need is a man between 17 and 45 who wants to leave the country for more than 3 months, for example a student.
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This is a bog standard thing in countries where there is compulsory military service
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
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@aral nice. Finland doesn't have that and we have a long border with Russia and Russian army bases just behind the border.
Of the fighting age? What's the fighting age in Germany 18-45?
Finland absolutely does have that.
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
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@aral if you bother to read the actual law, you will read
a) The permission will be granted in periods of non-mandatory service (read as: atm)
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@aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
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@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.
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@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.
@Fnordinger No, _you_ are wrong. The restriction to tension and defence was only _introduced_ in 2011. For most of us older people, the exact same rule was in place the whole time up until 2011. @prefec2 @lyrial @aral
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@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
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@aral I'm genuinely beginning to wonder if this applies to me, I've been residing in another country for more than five years but I still have German citizenship.
@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:
"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."
§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten." -
@aral step into good direction. Have it in 1938, history would look much better.
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@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:
"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."
§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten."
