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  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

    Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

    #germany #eu

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    @aral step into good direction. Have it in 1938, history would look much better.

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    • patrick@gruene.socialP patrick@gruene.social

      @anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:

      "ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."

      §1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
      "Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten."

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      @patrick @aral
      Herzlichen Dank 🙂

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      • bws@social.linux.pizzaB bws@social.linux.pizza

        @aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
        Also there are no fines/penalties specified if you don't do it...

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        #30

        @bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.

        In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…

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        • maik73@mastodon.socialM maik73@mastodon.social

          @mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
          https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
          "Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
          "Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
          And this is currently not the case.

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          @Maik73
          Please read the next sentence after §2(2)

          »(3) Außerhalb des Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfalls gelten die §§ 3, 8a bis 20b, 25, 32 bis 35, 44 und 45.«

          @mvsde @lyrial @aral

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          • drwhozee@troet.cafeD drwhozee@troet.cafe

            @bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.

            In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…

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            @DrWhoZee @aral nope, "the old rule" was only in action from 2011-2026. before 2011 it was exactly as it is now again.

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            • maik73@mastodon.socialM maik73@mastodon.social

              @mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
              https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
              "Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
              "Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
              And this is currently not the case.

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              @Maik73 @mvsde @lyrial @aral

              That's the old version. It was replaced by the recent decision.
              The current version deleted that "apply of tension or defense".
              Source:
              https://www.fr.de/politik/genehmigung-drastische-wehrpflicht-aenderung-maenner-die-deutschland-laenger-wollen-brauchen-zr-94248132.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

              Artikel-Zitat:
              "Das bedeutet schlicht, dass die Regelung des Paragraphen 3 nun grundsätzlich immer gilt."

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              • ali@leftist.networkA ali@leftist.network

                @aral
                Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.

                But never people.

                And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.

                It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."

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                @ali @aral Capitalism didn’t invent the practice of countries restricting the movements of their internal populations. It was in fact pretty common in feudalism (think serfs) or countries with Chinese-style imperial bureaucracy (where you needed a pass to travel between provinces).

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                • ali@leftist.networkA ali@leftist.network

                  @aral
                  Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.

                  But never people.

                  And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.

                  It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."

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                  @ali @aral

                  Irregular migration?!? Please define "irregular".

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                  • aral@mastodon.ar.alA aral@mastodon.ar.al

                    Wow, such democracy. Much freedom of movement.

                    #germany #eu

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                    #36

                    @aral Can't just write 'bone spurs' under the amount on a cheque payabe to the enlistment officer in germany, I guess.

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                    • misusecase@twit.socialM misusecase@twit.social

                      @ali @aral Capitalism didn’t invent the practice of countries restricting the movements of their internal populations. It was in fact pretty common in feudalism (think serfs) or countries with Chinese-style imperial bureaucracy (where you needed a pass to travel between provinces).

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                      #37

                      @MisuseCase @ali @aral Capitalism was an imperfect transition from feudalism that can readily backslide once a ruling class establishes itself.

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                      • threetails@plush.cityT threetails@plush.city

                        @MisuseCase @ali @aral Capitalism was an imperfect transition from feudalism that can readily backslide once a ruling class establishes itself.

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                        #38

                        @threetails @ali @aral Well, maybe.

                        The point is that not every bad and oppressive thing is a product of capitalism. Some of those things predate capitalism or just plain don’t depend on it.

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