Wow, such democracy.
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This is a bog standard thing in countries where there is compulsory military service
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
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@aral nice. Finland doesn't have that and we have a long border with Russia and Russian army bases just behind the border.
Of the fighting age? What's the fighting age in Germany 18-45?
Finland absolutely does have that.
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
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@aral if you bother to read the actual law, you will read
a) The permission will be granted in periods of non-mandatory service (read as: atm)
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@aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
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@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.
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@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.
@Fnordinger No, _you_ are wrong. The restriction to tension and defence was only _introduced_ in 2011. For most of us older people, the exact same rule was in place the whole time up until 2011. @prefec2 @lyrial @aral
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@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
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@aral I'm genuinely beginning to wonder if this applies to me, I've been residing in another country for more than five years but I still have German citizenship.
@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:
"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."
§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten." -
@aral step into good direction. Have it in 1938, history would look much better.
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@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:
"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."
§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten." -
@aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
Also there are no fines/penalties specified if you don't do it...@bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.
In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…
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@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
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@bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.
In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…
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@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
And this is currently not the case.That's the old version. It was replaced by the recent decision.
The current version deleted that "apply of tension or defense".
Source:
https://www.fr.de/politik/genehmigung-drastische-wehrpflicht-aenderung-maenner-die-deutschland-laenger-wollen-brauchen-zr-94248132.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypubArtikel-Zitat:
"Das bedeutet schlicht, dass die Regelung des Paragraphen 3 nun grundsätzlich immer gilt." -
@aral
Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.But never people.
And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.
It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."
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@aral
Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.But never people.
And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.
It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."
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@aral Can't just write 'bone spurs' under the amount on a cheque payabe to the enlistment officer in germany, I guess.
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@MisuseCase @ali @aral Capitalism was an imperfect transition from feudalism that can readily backslide once a ruling class establishes itself.
