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  • dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD dzwiedziu@mastodon.social

    @mkyral
    > You don't need to fork KDE. You can also switch to another DE.

    Do I need to spell out that is what happens when you don't care about your users?

    > I really like people that thinks that their opinion is the only valid opinion.

    In the context about asking user about their opinions via surveys this sounds to me either as an insult or telling on yourself.

    If it's the latter then I ask you for some retrospection.

    If it's the earlier then I ask you not to answer.

    @Yuvalne

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    #73

    @dzwiedziu @Yuvalne Sorry, English is not my primary language and I feel I don't understood your arguments properly.

    But I still think that developers are primary users, so their opinion matters the most.

    That's all I want say. Have a nice day.

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    • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

      @joepie91 fun fact: the only instances i'm aware of of there actually being paid protestors from outside the state were in support of right-wing causes, most famously the storm of the Florida electoral comission in 2000 which was presented as an authentic protest but was literally 100% position holders in the Republican party.

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      #74

      @Yuvalne @joepie91 Almost like the people with all the power and resources are more able and likely to use power and resources to push their agenda.

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      • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

        RE: https://floss.social/@kde/117322549131682125

        things this post does:
        1. place the blame on the KDE community
        2. dismiss kdeforpeople.com as an external pressure group
        3. dismiss opinions of non-direct contributors as irrelevant

        things this post doesn't do:
        1. apologise
        2. mention that the person who escalated this shitstorm was a literal nazi
        3. call the pro-AI presentation a pressure campaign like it did with kdeforpeople.com
        4. make literally any lessons for the future
        5. apologise!!

        i no longer consider #KDE a community project.

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        #75

        i think the fact that this post got both a "KDE is still a community project and you're wrong to think otherwise" comment and a "KDE was never a community project and you were fool to think otherwise" comment as ways to defend this response proves my point perfectly.

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        • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

          RE: https://floss.social/@kde/117322549131682125

          things this post does:
          1. place the blame on the KDE community
          2. dismiss kdeforpeople.com as an external pressure group
          3. dismiss opinions of non-direct contributors as irrelevant

          things this post doesn't do:
          1. apologise
          2. mention that the person who escalated this shitstorm was a literal nazi
          3. call the pro-AI presentation a pressure campaign like it did with kdeforpeople.com
          4. make literally any lessons for the future
          5. apologise!!

          i no longer consider #KDE a community project.

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          #76

          @Yuvalne the "blow-by-blow" rhetoric also strongly implies a *violent* and successful (from their POV) "win" of a "battle", which unintentionally reveals a lot about underlying views.

          (yes: I know what a metaphor is, but it's 2026 and I expect people, especially social media reps of big projects, to be thought- and respectful in their use of words, especially in an already ongoing conflict)

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          • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

            lol someone reported this post and forwarded it along, for "brigading", and to show this is brigading they cited... the exact Nate post i'm replying to.
            idk what's more funny:
            1. to report the admin of an almost single-user instance then forward the report to the same instance
            2. to bring as evidence the blogpost the post you're reporting is in reply to
            3. to quote Nate as evidence for brigading, when Nate himself edited the post to say he was wrong to call it brigading.

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            #77

            @Yuvalne I don't check before each report if the remote instance is single user...

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            • project1enigma@chaos.socialP project1enigma@chaos.social

              @Yuvalne I don't check before each report if the remote instance is single user...

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              #78

              @project1enigma neither do i, but it is quite funny from my end.

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              • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

                @joepie91 fun fact: the only instances i'm aware of of there actually being paid protestors from outside the state were in support of right-wing causes, most famously the storm of the Florida electoral comission in 2000 which was presented as an authentic protest but was literally 100% position holders in the Republican party.

                byte@rage.loveB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #79

                @joepie91 @Yuvalne didn’t they literally steal the 2000 election? That’s what I remember hearing (though I was born in 2003, so obviously no firsthand experience)

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                • byte@rage.loveB byte@rage.love

                  @joepie91 @Yuvalne didn’t they literally steal the 2000 election? That’s what I remember hearing (though I was born in 2003, so obviously no firsthand experience)

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                  #80

                  @Byte @joepie91 they did, and that storming was part of that (there's a great Climate Town video explaining how it happened. you may even say he explained it "blow-by-blow".)

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                  • byte@rage.loveB byte@rage.love

                    @joepie91 @Yuvalne didn’t they literally steal the 2000 election? That’s what I remember hearing (though I was born in 2003, so obviously no firsthand experience)

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                    #81

                    @Byte @joepie91 @Yuvalne

                    Yeah. Gore the nepo baby folded like wet tissue paper. An utterly useless specimen all along. Such weak tea that he even lost his home state. I've never regretted voting Nader.

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                    • joepie91@fedi.slightly.techJ joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech

                      @Yuvalne that phrase "people mostly outside of KDE" is literally just a techwashed version of the fascist "paid protesters bused in from out of state" rhetoric

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                      #82

                      @Yuvalne @joepie91 reminds me of Raspberry Pi’s response to hiring a cop, too.

                      Dismissing criticism as inauthentic happens a lot

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                      • xenophora@mastodon.artX xenophora@mastodon.art

                        @Byte @joepie91 @Yuvalne

                        Yeah. Gore the nepo baby folded like wet tissue paper. An utterly useless specimen all along. Such weak tea that he even lost his home state. I've never regretted voting Nader.

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                        #83

                        @Byte @joepie91 @Yuvalne

                        Dems handed it over, really. 🖕

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                        • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

                          @Byte @joepie91 they did, and that storming was part of that (there's a great Climate Town video explaining how it happened. you may even say he explained it "blow-by-blow".)

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                          #84

                          @joepie91 @Yuvalne huh. So in that context, January 6th was like a less well planned and less successful version of that?

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                          • xenophora@mastodon.artX xenophora@mastodon.art

                            @Byte @joepie91 @Yuvalne

                            Dems handed it over, really. 🖕

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                            #85

                            @xenophora seems they’ve always been like this

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                            • byte@rage.loveB byte@rage.love

                              @joepie91 @Yuvalne huh. So in that context, January 6th was like a less well planned and less successful version of that?

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                              #86

                              @Byte @joepie91 well January 6th was less close, a 0.6% margin in the tipping-point state, compared to 0.0092% in the count that ended up certified in 2000, so the overturning then was easier. but it's also true it was less well planned, and thankfully it didn't succeed.

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                              • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

                                RE: https://floss.social/@kde/117322549131682125

                                things this post does:
                                1. place the blame on the KDE community
                                2. dismiss kdeforpeople.com as an external pressure group
                                3. dismiss opinions of non-direct contributors as irrelevant

                                things this post doesn't do:
                                1. apologise
                                2. mention that the person who escalated this shitstorm was a literal nazi
                                3. call the pro-AI presentation a pressure campaign like it did with kdeforpeople.com
                                4. make literally any lessons for the future
                                5. apologise!!

                                i no longer consider #KDE a community project.

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                                #87

                                @Yuvalne don't forget that this shitstorm brought out explicit antisemitism from the AI supporters (pro-holocaust rhetoric!!) which has yet to be addressed.

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                                • thufie@social.pixie.townT thufie@social.pixie.town

                                  @Yuvalne don't forget that this shitstorm brought out explicit antisemitism from the AI supporters (pro-holocaust rhetoric!!) which has yet to be addressed.

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                                  #88

                                  @thufie wait, in addition to svin, the Nazi who tried for arguing for AI ethics? because to my knowledge that guy was banned

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                                  • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

                                    @thufie wait, in addition to svin, the Nazi who tried for arguing for AI ethics? because to my knowledge that guy was banned

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                                    #89

                                    @Yuvalne was he? Was there a statement about it?

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                                    • thufie@social.pixie.townT thufie@social.pixie.town

                                      @Yuvalne was he? Was there a statement about it?

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                                      #90

                                      @thufie yes, Nate even mentions it in the post i'm quoting (point 18 in the "chain of events").

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                                      • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

                                        @mkyral
                                        so you agree, KDE is not a community project. it's by the dev team, for the dev team.

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                                        #91

                                        @Yuvalne @mkyral Almost all community led projects are actually just dev led project. Shit ton of GNOME users for example complain about GNOME design decisions and yet they never listen to them. What the GNOME team decide is what matters. Same for Wayland and countless other examples.

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                                        • unn0wn@mastodon.socialU unn0wn@mastodon.social

                                          @Yuvalne @mkyral Almost all community led projects are actually just dev led project. Shit ton of GNOME users for example complain about GNOME design decisions and yet they never listen to them. What the GNOME team decide is what matters. Same for Wayland and countless other examples.

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                                          #92

                                          @Unn0wn @Yuvalne

                                          Again. There are many, many users and each of them has some idea how should Gnome/KDE or other SW look and how should work. So devs and their preferences and vision are important there.

                                          Personally I don't like Gnome philosophy, so I don't use it.

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