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  • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

    @pelle @filiplachert I see more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks and bicycle paths around here. People truly do not give a shit where they park those things. I've half a mind to start moving them into the street, when I find one that needs moving.

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    @barometz "more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks" 👈 which would be a non-issue if cars weren't blocking 90% of all city streets with operation and storage. #motornormativity

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      @barometz "more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks" 👈 which would be a non-issue if cars weren't blocking 90% of all city streets with operation and storage. #motornormativity

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      @pelle sure, motornormativity

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      • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

        @pelle sure, motornormativity

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        @barometz super dangerous bikes taking up all the space lol

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          @barometz super dangerous bikes taking up all the space lol

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          @pelle I never said that car culture doesn't suck! I just think that holding back on criticism of rental scooters and bikes is a mistake. The companies don't give a shit because they make money, and the users don't give a shit because it's not their bike.

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          • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

            @pelle I never said that car culture doesn't suck! I just think that holding back on criticism of rental scooters and bikes is a mistake. The companies don't give a shit because they make money, and the users don't give a shit because it's not their bike.

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            @barometz
            can you describe more in detail what upsets you about this situation?

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            • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

              @barometz
              can you describe more in detail what upsets you about this situation?

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              @pelle this is near a building with a lot of elderly folks who use various mobility aids. There's a large paved area forty meters ahead with plenty of space.

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              • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                @pelle this is near a building with a lot of elderly folks who use various mobility aids. There's a large paved area forty meters ahead with plenty of space.

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                @barometz
                are you upset at the people using mobility aids?

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                • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                  @barometz
                  are you upset at the people using mobility aids?

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                  @pelle no, at the people making them cross the curb (which is a hassle for them) and get into the bicycle lane (which is annoying for me).

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                  • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                    @pelle no, at the people making them cross the curb (which is a hassle for them) and get into the bicycle lane (which is annoying for me).

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                    @barometz
                    so you're annoyed when the elderly folks on their mobility aids get in your way?

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                      @barometz
                      so you're annoyed when the elderly folks on their mobility aids get in your way?

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                      @pelle if you're able to express a complete thought, rather than this tedious socratic approach, please do.

                      In each of those pictures, the vehicles could have been parked in a way that leaves them accessible and doesn't block a sidewalk, emergency exit, or public AED for anyone.

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                      • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                        @pelle if you're able to express a complete thought, rather than this tedious socratic approach, please do.

                        In each of those pictures, the vehicles could have been parked in a way that leaves them accessible and doesn't block a sidewalk, emergency exit, or public AED for anyone.

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                        • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                          @pelle if you're able to express a complete thought, rather than this tedious socratic approach, please do.

                          In each of those pictures, the vehicles could have been parked in a way that leaves them accessible and doesn't block a sidewalk, emergency exit, or public AED for anyone.

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                          @barometz
                          thanks for perfectly illustrating the point i was trying to make 👌

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                            @barometz
                            thanks for perfectly illustrating the point i was trying to make 👌

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                            @pelle I don't understand what point that is? If you're talking about the ability to park with consideration for other road users, does that contradict anything I've said?

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                            • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                              @pelle I don't understand what point that is? If you're talking about the ability to park with consideration for other road users, does that contradict anything I've said?

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                              @barometz
                              like, complaining how e-scooters are dangerous because you've seen one that's parked near an AED.

                              how many people are crushed by cars per year in the city you live in?

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                              • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                                @barometz
                                like, complaining how e-scooters are dangerous because you've seen one that's parked near an AED.

                                how many people are crushed by cars per year in the city you live in?

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                                @pelle okay, so the statement I originally objected to was

                                "i think that dunking on microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes motornormativity."

                                I see how you got from my objection to "e-scooters are dangerous" but that's not what I meant. What I mean is this: no one should park like a fucking asshole. I don't see non-rentals parked like this nearly as much, so the category is relevant.

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                                • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @pelle okay, so the statement I originally objected to was

                                  "i think that dunking on microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes motornormativity."

                                  I see how you got from my objection to "e-scooters are dangerous" but that's not what I meant. What I mean is this: no one should park like a fucking asshole. I don't see non-rentals parked like this nearly as much, so the category is relevant.

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                                  @barometz
                                  the thing is, the amount of being "a fucking asshole", by driving and parking a car, legally, is so disproportionately greater than what those parked bikes are doing.

                                  but people are much more willing to put up with assholery from cars. that's the #motornormativity. there's interesting studies exploring that unconcious bias.

                                  https://www.napier.ac.uk/research-and-innovation/research-search/outputs/motonormativity-how-social-norms-hide-a-major-public-health-hazard

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