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  • filiplachert@mastodon.socialF filiplachert@mastodon.social

    Is this art? Is this a protest? Is this plain vandalism? Difficult to say in these times.

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    @filiplachert
    possibly unpopular hot take: i think that dunking on #microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes #motornormativity.

    #escooters being dangerous or taking up space or being wasteful or whatever: cars are like that, except 1000 × more.

    it's like carnists heckling vegans for eating avocados.

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      @filiplachert
      possibly unpopular hot take: i think that dunking on #microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes #motornormativity.

      #escooters being dangerous or taking up space or being wasteful or whatever: cars are like that, except 1000 × more.

      it's like carnists heckling vegans for eating avocados.

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      @pelle @filiplachert Polish media is manufacturing consent recently, pushing news about people on scooters wrecking themselves, we might end up with licensing requirements like they did with motorcycles

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      • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

        @filiplachert
        possibly unpopular hot take: i think that dunking on #microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes #motornormativity.

        #escooters being dangerous or taking up space or being wasteful or whatever: cars are like that, except 1000 × more.

        it's like carnists heckling vegans for eating avocados.

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        @pelle @filiplachert I see more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks and bicycle paths around here. People truly do not give a shit where they park those things. I've half a mind to start moving them into the street, when I find one that needs moving.

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        • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

          @pelle @filiplachert I see more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks and bicycle paths around here. People truly do not give a shit where they park those things. I've half a mind to start moving them into the street, when I find one that needs moving.

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          @barometz "more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks" 👈 which would be a non-issue if cars weren't blocking 90% of all city streets with operation and storage. #motornormativity

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            @barometz "more rental e-bikes than cars blocking sidewalks" 👈 which would be a non-issue if cars weren't blocking 90% of all city streets with operation and storage. #motornormativity

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            @pelle sure, motornormativity

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            • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

              @pelle sure, motornormativity

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              @barometz super dangerous bikes taking up all the space lol

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              • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                @barometz super dangerous bikes taking up all the space lol

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                @pelle I never said that car culture doesn't suck! I just think that holding back on criticism of rental scooters and bikes is a mistake. The companies don't give a shit because they make money, and the users don't give a shit because it's not their bike.

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                • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                  @pelle I never said that car culture doesn't suck! I just think that holding back on criticism of rental scooters and bikes is a mistake. The companies don't give a shit because they make money, and the users don't give a shit because it's not their bike.

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                  #9

                  @barometz
                  can you describe more in detail what upsets you about this situation?

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                  • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                    @barometz
                    can you describe more in detail what upsets you about this situation?

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                    @pelle this is near a building with a lot of elderly folks who use various mobility aids. There's a large paved area forty meters ahead with plenty of space.

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                    • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                      @pelle this is near a building with a lot of elderly folks who use various mobility aids. There's a large paved area forty meters ahead with plenty of space.

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                      @barometz
                      are you upset at the people using mobility aids?

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                      • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                        @barometz
                        are you upset at the people using mobility aids?

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                        @pelle no, at the people making them cross the curb (which is a hassle for them) and get into the bicycle lane (which is annoying for me).

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                        • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                          @pelle no, at the people making them cross the curb (which is a hassle for them) and get into the bicycle lane (which is annoying for me).

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                          @barometz
                          so you're annoyed when the elderly folks on their mobility aids get in your way?

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                          • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                            @barometz
                            so you're annoyed when the elderly folks on their mobility aids get in your way?

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                            @pelle if you're able to express a complete thought, rather than this tedious socratic approach, please do.

                            In each of those pictures, the vehicles could have been parked in a way that leaves them accessible and doesn't block a sidewalk, emergency exit, or public AED for anyone.

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                            • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                              @pelle if you're able to express a complete thought, rather than this tedious socratic approach, please do.

                              In each of those pictures, the vehicles could have been parked in a way that leaves them accessible and doesn't block a sidewalk, emergency exit, or public AED for anyone.

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                              Dette indlæg er slettet!
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                              • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                                @pelle if you're able to express a complete thought, rather than this tedious socratic approach, please do.

                                In each of those pictures, the vehicles could have been parked in a way that leaves them accessible and doesn't block a sidewalk, emergency exit, or public AED for anyone.

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                                @barometz
                                thanks for perfectly illustrating the point i was trying to make 👌

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                                • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                                  @barometz
                                  thanks for perfectly illustrating the point i was trying to make 👌

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                                  @pelle I don't understand what point that is? If you're talking about the ability to park with consideration for other road users, does that contradict anything I've said?

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                                  • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                                    @pelle I don't understand what point that is? If you're talking about the ability to park with consideration for other road users, does that contradict anything I've said?

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                                    @barometz
                                    like, complaining how e-scooters are dangerous because you've seen one that's parked near an AED.

                                    how many people are crushed by cars per year in the city you live in?

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                                    • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                                      @barometz
                                      like, complaining how e-scooters are dangerous because you've seen one that's parked near an AED.

                                      how many people are crushed by cars per year in the city you live in?

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                                      @pelle okay, so the statement I originally objected to was

                                      "i think that dunking on microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes motornormativity."

                                      I see how you got from my objection to "e-scooters are dangerous" but that's not what I meant. What I mean is this: no one should park like a fucking asshole. I don't see non-rentals parked like this nearly as much, so the category is relevant.

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                                      • barometz@social.treehouse.systemsB barometz@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @pelle okay, so the statement I originally objected to was

                                        "i think that dunking on microtransport, as long as cars exist, promotes motornormativity."

                                        I see how you got from my objection to "e-scooters are dangerous" but that's not what I meant. What I mean is this: no one should park like a fucking asshole. I don't see non-rentals parked like this nearly as much, so the category is relevant.

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                                        @barometz
                                        the thing is, the amount of being "a fucking asshole", by driving and parking a car, legally, is so disproportionately greater than what those parked bikes are doing.

                                        but people are much more willing to put up with assholery from cars. that's the #motornormativity. there's interesting studies exploring that unconcious bias.

                                        https://www.napier.ac.uk/research-and-innovation/research-search/outputs/motonormativity-how-social-norms-hide-a-major-public-health-hazard

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