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If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong.

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  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

    @snailerotica @ben I don't know the big picture you have in mind, but I assume what you'd do to do this right is pulling the picture when you first process something to do with the account in question, then keeping it cached, and doing some sort of async staleness check (or better, push-based update, if their API gave you that option) if it's accessed in the future and the age is beyond some threshold to check for changes.

    For an example of this all being done very well, see how fediverse works. I'm able to see and interact with posts from any instance that's not blocked by mine, but looking at a post by someone on another instance doesn't make a request to their servers. It's either already federated to mine via push due to follow relationships or boost, etc., or it's just pulled on the first access then cached. Either way there are no expensive requests to 3p servers that take place as part of each request.

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    #16

    @dalias @snailerotica what's happening here is that the stats website displays stats and profile data that are stored on someone's Steam account. it caches them for 5 minutes, but LLM scrapers don't follow any kind of human-like pattern when browsing; they just flood the server with requests for random pages

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    • fugueish@wandering.shopF fugueish@wandering.shop

      If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. Yes, this means every social media company and every newspaper are doing it wrong. I said what I said

      *The true quality bar is 0.5 seconds, but I’m feeling unreasonably generous today

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      #17

      @fugueish
      When I worked on storefront navigation software, even fucking _BassPro_ SLA'd 83 milliseconds at the 90th percentile.
      Giving people three digits of milliseconds is already surrender.

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      • fugueish@wandering.shopF fugueish@wandering.shop

        If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. Yes, this means every social media company and every newspaper are doing it wrong. I said what I said

        *The true quality bar is 0.5 seconds, but I’m feeling unreasonably generous today

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        #18

        @fugueish I went to a meetup of local web developers. At some point I told them my web site URL, and a couple of them pulled it up on their phones, and asked how on earth I got it to load so quickly and what hosting I was using to get that kind of performance. ($4 a month VPS, Debian and caddy.)

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        • nonnihil@hachyderm.ioN nonnihil@hachyderm.io

          @fugueish
          When I worked on storefront navigation software, even fucking _BassPro_ SLA'd 83 milliseconds at the 90th percentile.
          Giving people three digits of milliseconds is already surrender.

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          #19

          @nonnihil @fugueish Hear, hear. If the raw network latency is under 20ms, you should be able to do <100ms navigation overall.

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          • nh@mastodon.gamedev.placeN nh@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @nonnihil @fugueish Hear, hear. If the raw network latency is under 20ms, you should be able to do <100ms navigation overall.

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            #20

            @nonnihil @fugueish And quite frankly, if your site is genuinely an "app" (as in, something that you expect people to work productively in for an extended amount of time), the quality bar should be offline first to the point where virtually all tasks respond within one or two frames (~30ms).

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            • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

              @emma @fugueish It's the metastasized version of "HTML isn't coding" plus "code is a good thing, the more code the better!" brainrot.

              You need a justification for telling clients they're paying 💸 for "website development" and not just writing and graphic design.

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              #21

              @dalias @fugueish this is where I say that React is a full employment scheme for men graduating from CSE programs at elite schools.

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              • mathew@universeodon.comM mathew@universeodon.com

                @fugueish I went to a meetup of local web developers. At some point I told them my web site URL, and a couple of them pulled it up on their phones, and asked how on earth I got it to load so quickly and what hosting I was using to get that kind of performance. ($4 a month VPS, Debian and caddy.)

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                #22

                @mathew Yep 🙂 “How did I get it so fast? I did way less work”

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                • fugueish@wandering.shopF fugueish@wandering.shop

                  If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. Yes, this means every social media company and every newspaper are doing it wrong. I said what I said

                  *The true quality bar is 0.5 seconds, but I’m feeling unreasonably generous today

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                  #23

                  @fugueish yep I want the WWW of 1997 with the ISP uplinks of 2026

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                  • fugueish@wandering.shopF fugueish@wandering.shop

                    If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. Yes, this means every social media company and every newspaper are doing it wrong. I said what I said

                    *The true quality bar is 0.5 seconds, but I’m feeling unreasonably generous today

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                    #24

                    @fugueish I'd say every website that doesn't work on Lynx Browser over Iridium or Tor Browser with disabled JavaScript over 2G should be banned from existing it's developers forced to fix it!

                    • Anything else is too much lenience for Enshittification…
                      • Seriously, stuff like FrogFind should be unnecessary to begin with!!!

                    #Sarcasm #Commentary #LynxBrowser #TorBrowser #2G #Tor #Iridium #Narrowband #FrogFind #JS #JavaScript #AntiJS #AntiJavascriptAction #Malware #Bloatware #Enshittification

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                    • emma@orbital.horseE emma@orbital.horse

                      @dalias @fugueish this is where I say that React is a full employment scheme for men graduating from CSE programs at elite schools.

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                      #25

                      @emma @dalias @fugueish and I'm sick and tired of this shit!

                      I'd want Bloatware and Malware like that outlawed for being Wasteful Computing…

                      https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/116700073951828009

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                      • fugueish@wandering.shopF fugueish@wandering.shop

                        If your website doesn’t load in under 3 seconds* on an expensive phone in The Software Town, you did it wrong. Yes, this means every social media company and every newspaper are doing it wrong. I said what I said

                        *The true quality bar is 0.5 seconds, but I’m feeling unreasonably generous today

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                        #26

                        @fugueish If your website doesn’t load in under 2 seconds on an a shitty 4 year old phone phone in anywhere I have at least 3 bars of 5G, you did it wrong.

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                        • solonovamax@tech.lgbtS solonovamax@tech.lgbt

                          @fugueish If your website doesn’t load in under 2 seconds on an a shitty 4 year old phone phone in anywhere I have at least 3 bars of 5G, you did it wrong.

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                          #27

                          @fugueish I am also being generous with 3 bars of 5G and only a 4 year old device.

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