RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876
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@LukefromDC @jonah Haven't read it yet beyond the first few sentences, but let me correct your assumptions there: I didn't mean Trump trampling on it as he (and his cronies) are doing on T-soc and media.
I meant all the "militia" that always point things out about a good guy with a gun, always blame everything but the proliferation of firearms when a school shooting happens, and always, always mention how it is the Single One Thing Unique To Murrica that allows THEM to stop a rogue government.
@phl @jonah Those militias err firstly in considering themselves to be the good guys of course.
The "stopping the government" aspect that I see happening is at the one on one and especially the deterrence level. During the 1990's cops in places like Idaho often refused to pull over militia pickup trucks with guns clearly visible in gun racks even when they had "sovereign citizen" homemade license plates on them. They wanted to get home to their families not shoot it out with far-right nutjobs and take a 50-50 risk.
Today, some rural sheriffs departments in the South have said that although they have 287(g) agreements with ICE they are refusing to go door to door hunting migrants simply because there are too many guns. This is also why roadside ambushes are favored over house raids here
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@LukefromDC @jonah Haven't read it yet beyond the first few sentences, but let me correct your assumptions there: I didn't mean Trump trampling on it as he (and his cronies) are doing on T-soc and media.
I meant all the "militia" that always point things out about a good guy with a gun, always blame everything but the proliferation of firearms when a school shooting happens, and always, always mention how it is the Single One Thing Unique To Murrica that allows THEM to stop a rogue government.
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RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876
Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”
A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.
Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.
And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw
#UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia
@jonah@mastodon.neat.computer So long as the UK remains without a Right to Silence (and one that accounts for key-disclosure laws being a violation of that right), the likely outcomes are bleak.
On paper, the laws around key-disclosure are so broken that they pretty much allow arresting anyone with a digital device that cannot provide a key to any particular digital data, even when there is no such key in existence.
When I say the UK is a nightmarish police state, this is part of what I mean.
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RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876
Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”
A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.
Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.
And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw
#UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia
@jonah when I worked for the NHS I was required to use a VPN to log in as I worked remotely, in council offices or people's homes or even "foreign" hospitals. Banning VPN will have massive implications for all public facing services using confidential data, return to paper notes?
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RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876
Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”
A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.
Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.
And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw
#UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia
@jonah oh banning it absolutely makes it as real a crime as any other. this is how the law works. all law is ultimately just something some people made up and that the rest of society goes along with to some degree.
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I think some are still missing the point. I’m not saying they’re going to lock up every single person who uses a VPN or watches porn.
Your government’s strategy is to make “crimes” like this as common and easy to commit as possible.
This way, if you ever do something completely legal which they *actually* don’t like, *which can be completely unrelated to VPNs or bypassing age verification,* they can pull up your internet history and easily prosecute you.
Organize a legitimate protest, and the government’s swift response will be to label you a child sex offender because they found you using evil VPN technology.
This is how free speech dies, not from a law that says “free speech is dead now,” but from draconian, authoritarian laws like this that give the government “plausible” reasons to go after anyone, which can’t easily be fought against.
This has always been the playbook to target innocents. In the USA, drug possession laws being created as a pretense for cops to raid and dismantle minority communities, for example. And now this is coming to the digital realm.
@jonah And, in case you want to see broader examples, companies use that approach against employees. Disallow something that everybody does, that everybody is comfortable doing because they see everybody else doing it... and that's convenient grounds for firing employees you don't like.
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@jonah And, in case you want to see broader examples, companies use that approach against employees. Disallow something that everybody does, that everybody is comfortable doing because they see everybody else doing it... and that's convenient grounds for firing employees you don't like.
@jbqueru don’t think about that often, but it’s true. We don’t live in a rules-based society, we just tell ourselves that we do.
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@jonah VPN ban -> Ah, people can install WireGuard on a Hetzner droplet -> mandatory age verification for web hosting, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
@aral
Time for people to look at Autonomi:
- one download and you are browsing the Autonomi Dweb in your regular browser giving access to p2p web apps
- other early apps available, mobile on the way
- run nodes on legacy hardware to earn tokens and pay to upload files, videos etcNo gatekeepers or surveillance, privacy max. Just you and a p2p network where payments for uploading reward people (you included) for running the nodes that make it work.
More here: https://toast.happybeing.com
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@aral
Time for people to look at Autonomi:
- one download and you are browsing the Autonomi Dweb in your regular browser giving access to p2p web apps
- other early apps available, mobile on the way
- run nodes on legacy hardware to earn tokens and pay to upload files, videos etcNo gatekeepers or surveillance, privacy max. Just you and a p2p network where payments for uploading reward people (you included) for running the nodes that make it work.
More here: https://toast.happybeing.com
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I think some are still missing the point. I’m not saying they’re going to lock up every single person who uses a VPN or watches porn.
Your government’s strategy is to make “crimes” like this as common and easy to commit as possible.
This way, if you ever do something completely legal which they *actually* don’t like, *which can be completely unrelated to VPNs or bypassing age verification,* they can pull up your internet history and easily prosecute you.
Organize a legitimate protest, and the government’s swift response will be to label you a child sex offender because they found you using evil VPN technology.
This is how free speech dies, not from a law that says “free speech is dead now,” but from draconian, authoritarian laws like this that give the government “plausible” reasons to go after anyone, which can’t easily be fought against.
This has always been the playbook to target innocents. In the USA, drug possession laws being created as a pretense for cops to raid and dismantle minority communities, for example. And now this is coming to the digital realm.
@jonah A term you may find helpful is "pervasive illegality".
The goal is no matter what you're doing, you're guaranteed to be in violation of something.
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RE: https://mastodon.thenewoil.org/@thenewoil/115971195227745876
Next up will be a VPN ban. Many tech-y people will see that and think “lol yeah well that’s not going to stop *me* from using a VPN”
A VPN ban isn’t really meant stop you from using one. It means when they catch you doing so, they’ll use the fact you’re using this harmless technology itself as a *pretense* to lock you up without needing to do any “hard work” (i.e. an investigator’s job) like actually confirming whether you committed a real crime.
Don’t think you won’t be impacted just because you know how to outsmart an ISP filter! This is not a plan to protect children or stop you from consuming adult media. It is a ploy to eventually eliminate ALL freedom of expression and free access to information in the UK.
And the same goes for Chat Control and encrypted messengers, btw
#UKpol #VPNban #PornHub #ChatControl #Privacy #FreeSpeech #SocialMedia
