Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?
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One time, I even tried "it emitted some text which, if it had been written by a human, would say..."
But maybe I could go with "it emitted some text which, if it had been written with intention, would say..."
@MegaMichelle I think the long form is good: It emitted (I use "extruded") some text that the reader was able to interpret as....
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@MegaMichelle I think the long form is good: It emitted (I use "extruded") some text that the reader was able to interpret as....
Oooh, I like the focus on the reader's interpretation. It doesn't imply that the meaning is actually in the text.
For this reason, I might avoid "able to interpret" because that changes it back to implying that the meaning was actually in the text. Maybe "It extruded some text that a reader might interpret as saying..."
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@clickhere @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender
"Stochastic transmogrifier"
@martinvermeer I'll take it!
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender
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Smile-face Shoggoth
Brainrotter
Faker machine
Bullshitnator -
@martinvermeer @Petesmom @emilymbender I don't think 'corpus-based generation' is a feasible alternative. A good alternative is as easily understandable and pronounceable as possible, otherwise it's not going to be adopted into wider use, and most people will associate "corpus" with any biological body, because their only connection with the word is from corpus Christi, as in body of Christ
@Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender I don't entirely agree. Corpus/corpora is widely used in science to describe bodies of text etc. put together as a basis for research. Adopting it for this use - which is already a reality among the professionals in this field - does not seem like a long shot to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus
And BTW if you object to 'corpus', you should also have a problem with 'generation', which for lay people will refer either to successive generations of people, or to generating electricity. 'Generating' text or imagery or other output is fairly new and specialized and not yet common in the general language.
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
Zero pronouns, just "it". I call it the Robot or the text Robot. It doesn't have a human name. I also frequently refer to it as "the BS machine".
I've definitely been using "input" terminology for a long time as well. Though I also like "input prompt", we've had a "command prompt" in computing for a long time, it's never really felt like an anthro term to me. And "input prompt" is a subtle shift on existing terminology.
I really like "unexpected results" over hallucinations... Though I am still very hesitant to acknowledge the term hallucination at all. Even the notion of errors seems kind of wrong. The output may include things that you didn't want in it, but in no way does that mean the system failed.
I think that's the weirdest thing about these Gen AI systems. Not the anthropomorphic language trying to humanize the machines, but the functional language falling to represent what they do.
I use these tools and still hate the language.
I will be a stick in the mud.
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@Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender I don't entirely agree. Corpus/corpora is widely used in science to describe bodies of text etc. put together as a basis for research. Adopting it for this use - which is already a reality among the professionals in this field - does not seem like a long shot to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus
And BTW if you object to 'corpus', you should also have a problem with 'generation', which for lay people will refer either to successive generations of people, or to generating electricity. 'Generating' text or imagery or other output is fairly new and specialized and not yet common in the general language.
@martinvermeer @Petesmom @emilymbender I mean I do have minor issues with "generating" too. it's just that alternative common words for producing something that wouldn't have any biological connection at all are scarce.
Corpus may be widely used in science, but most people interacting with machines or AIs are not scientists.
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@emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets
@iamnotU @emilymbender well, people are talking about "chatty"
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender yes! So annoyed! Thank you for this.
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
While the idea is nice, the words you propose are too long and complicated. Saying "probabilistic, unverified software manipulator" is a tongue twister by itself.
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@Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender
Some ideas. For AI in general, we could use 'corpus-based generation', like language, image, action, speech generation. What is characteristic for current AI is how they are built using these large bodies of (often stolen) 'stuff', typically from the Internet.
I have a problem with 'undesirable output' for hallucination. Too vague for me. The undesirability is invariably a failure to be factually correct, which is what users expect from AI, an expectation that is both unreasonable and unwise for a language tool - but also real. Let's make that explicit: a 'factuality violation'.
@martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup. -
Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender Thanks! Going to organise a very necessary discussion in the fablab community about probabilistic systems and this helps a lot.
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender yes finding human pronouns a misfit. "It" nearly works but animals can be it. I'm experimenting with ko/kör (2nd) and zo/ze/zy (1st), so I have standing instructions for the LLM to produce e.g. "let ze generate this", "Zo generated that" and I respond chance kor approach. They are reminiscent to me of mathematical terms. Just a personal experiment.
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@emilymbender also things like "predictive [text] slot-machine" have come up
I am _so_ going to use "predictive [text] slot-machine"
In Spain we call slot machines "tragaperras" which translates roughly to "coin swallowers".
I think it also fits.
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.
I've been struggling with exactly this
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@emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.
I've been struggling with exactly this
@toadjaune Je crois que les mêmes stratégies doivent fonctionner assez bien.
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@emilymbender
You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator.@kevinashworth PUSMic FTW!
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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:
https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/
@emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?
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@emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?
@strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.
