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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    @strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.

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    @emilymbender Yes, I'm reading it now. Stupid me for assuming anything would be too flagrant to be included.

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    • iamnotu@mastodon.socialI iamnotu@mastodon.social

      @emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets

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      #67

      @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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      • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

        @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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        #68

        @kelson @emilymbender I've been calling my computer names for decades now

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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          #69

          @emilymbender "synthetic text extruding machine" is a mouthful, but is also very funny yet very fitting

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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

            https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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            #70

            @emilymbender
            Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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            • imprinted@mastodon.unoI imprinted@mastodon.uno

              @emilymbender
              Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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              #71

              @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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                #72

                @emilymbender
                I read it and I agree with what you wrote. I'm saying that if we stick to the LLM definition, automatically there is no intelligence. But I'm no expert.

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                • laslab@waag.socialL laslab@waag.social

                  @martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
                  Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup.

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                  #73

                  @laslab @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork

                  > factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right

                  But that is the case, even if only by accident!

                  No, my reservation is that it suggests a formal error condition, like zerodivide or floating-point overflow, when in reality it is just a variant of normal operation. You cannot even know it happened until you, as a human, introduce external information...

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                    #74

                    @emilymbender

                    Super interesting topic, thank you. For wider adoption I think it would be desirable to find alternatives that are also neutral in their sentiment. I spent some time thinking about "agentic AI" where the proposed alternative was "probabilistic, unverified software manipulator" which I think is very far from neutral. What do you think about "language-guided iterative solver"?

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                      #75

                      @emilymbender As we used to say, 'Knowledge wants to be free! But maybe it does not want to be anthropomorphized'

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                        #76

                        @emilymbender

                        « hallucination → undesirable output »

                        Why not a more straighforward "erroneous outpout"?

                        An undesirable result could a result that is accurate but that is not the one I am looking for. A made-up quote is more than undesirable, it is erroneous.

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                          #77

                          @emilymbender

                          « Pronouns are chosen each time, and avoiding pronouns usually reserved for people (and pets), e.g. he, she, and singular they is a good first step. »

                          Isn't singular they "it"?

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