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  • peterwyrm@bne.socialP peterwyrm@bne.social

    @benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”

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    @peterwyrm @paulk

    Extremely creepy topic

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      The #Pope has published his first encyclical

      "Magnifica Humanitas: On the Safeguarding of the Human Person in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

      Is it just me and i'm getting old? Or is this genuinely weird?

      #Religion... #AI... feels like a creepy intersection man

      Can you "convert" an AI to a religion?

      Can an AI serve as a representative of God?

      Fuck it, we're doomed. We're not ready for this shit

      https://ewtnvatican.com/articles/anthropic-ai-ethics-vatican-magnifica-humanitas

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      @benroyce They converted an orange rapist, pedophile, adulterer, and felon into the next coming, worshipping at his literal gold statue, so “they” can turn anything into a religion. 😞

      This pope seems pretty clear and wide-awake with modern issues, though.

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      • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

        @benroyce They converted an orange rapist, pedophile, adulterer, and felon into the next coming, worshipping at his literal gold statue, so “they” can turn anything into a religion. 😞

        This pope seems pretty clear and wide-awake with modern issues, though.

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        #23

        @CStamp

        yeah it was a bad post because i was freaking out over the topic of religion + AI in general: i had no criticism of leo or his writing. but the way i wrote it it looks like i'm criticizing him

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @paulk

          yeah but catching up to what

          just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies

          i just don't think we're ready for this commingling

          the USA didn't even survive social media

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          #24

          «i just don't think we're ready for this commingling»

          At first glance I read the last word as "coming"...

          @benroyce @paulk

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          • vnikolov@ieji.deV vnikolov@ieji.de

            «i just don't think we're ready for this commingling»

            At first glance I read the last word as "coming"...

            @benroyce @paulk

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            #25

            @vnikolov @paulk

            well that's the sex robots

            that's another problem coming (pun intended) as people devolve and lose the ability to competently socially interact with anything except AI, certainly not their romantic interest. heck, the very notion of "romantic interest" might devolve from another human being to some LLM avatar

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @vnikolov @paulk

              well that's the sex robots

              that's another problem coming (pun intended) as people devolve and lose the ability to competently socially interact with anything except AI, certainly not their romantic interest. heck, the very notion of "romantic interest" might devolve from another human being to some LLM avatar

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              #26

              Right.

              Never mind that the very phrase "romantic interest" is merely a technical term from movie screenwriting cookbooks...
              (I'm sure those are being LLMized as well.)

              Let's hope we'll live to see what happens.
              I don't think it's cut and dried.

              @benroyce @paulk

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              • vnikolov@ieji.deV vnikolov@ieji.de

                Right.

                Never mind that the very phrase "romantic interest" is merely a technical term from movie screenwriting cookbooks...
                (I'm sure those are being LLMized as well.)

                Let's hope we'll live to see what happens.
                I don't think it's cut and dried.

                @benroyce @paulk

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                #27

                @vnikolov @paulk

                "extinct human! cut and dried, with chili mole! get 'em while they're still in stock!"

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                • peterwyrm@bne.socialP peterwyrm@bne.social

                  @benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”

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                  @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.

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                    @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.

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                    @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                    the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them

                    if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?

                    fuck

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                      the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them

                      if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?

                      fuck

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                      @benroyce @peterwyrm @paulk exactly my point. It gives me some sort of existential dread.

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                      • paraw@mathstodon.xyzP paraw@mathstodon.xyz

                        @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.

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                        #31

                        @paraw @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk https://burdentennis.com

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                          the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them

                          if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?

                          fuck

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                          @benroyce @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk Please read and comment on https://burdentennis.com/

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                          • paraw@mathstodon.xyzP paraw@mathstodon.xyz

                            @benroyce @peterwyrm @paulk exactly my point. It gives me some sort of existential dread.

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                            @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                            this notion of a future dystopia of humanity devolved into simple minds, after we handed all cognitive effort to some sort of AI overlord, is weirdly comforting

                            it's a nice coda to humanity

                            we struggled, reached great heights (and great lows), then we were benevolently retired to caretakers we created

                            free of thought, the root of our graces and our sins, our suffering over

                            however

                            we both know it will really be an eloi/ morlock bifurcation from "the time machine"

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