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I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming.

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  • xabean@infosec.exchangeX xabean@infosec.exchange

    @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup also man crontab v.s. man 5 crontab v.s. man 8 crontab "of COURSE 8 means programs and 5 means config"

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    #71

    @xabean @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup old enough to remember system V where you knew which part of man you wanted for system calls, library functions or command line programs

    But they were also more gentle times when people were actually paid to write useful documentation and the man pages were actually helpful

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    • dsw@mastodontech.deD dsw@mastodontech.de

      @kamstrup
      Actually, you can also use them to tell a short story like:
      unzip | strip | touch | finger | grep | mount | fsck | unmount | sleep

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      #72

      @dsw Except it's “umount” because the mental energy required to remember to leave out the “n” is less than the physical energy required to press just press the damn key, especially on an ASR33. /s

      (Actually, last time I made a comment about this I was told that the reason was that very very early Unixes limited command lengths to 6 characters. There are two interpretations of the word “backward” in the phrase “backward compatibility”.)

      @kamstrup

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      • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

        @kamstrup
        Yep! You can't grep dead trees.

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        #73

        @brouhaha @kamstrup On the other hand, everything burns, but paper doesn’t crash

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        • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

          I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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          #74

          @kamstrup and for non-English speakers ? 😩

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          • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

            @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup The best `man` pages are written to be so opaque that the only people who can understand the `man` page are people who don't need the `man` page because they know it all already.

            Or possibly because they wrote the `man` page themselves.

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            #75

            @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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            • annehargreaves@ioc.exchangeA annehargreaves@ioc.exchange

              @kamstrup or there are 2 where the name mirrors each-other like adduser useradd just for lols

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              #76

              @annehargreaves @kamstrup I really like the naming of the cat/tac pair.

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              • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                #77

                @kamstrup Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(Unix)

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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                  #78

                  @cstross @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup
                  A survivor.
                  Rule 1, Charlie, Rule 1.

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                  • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                    I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                    #79

                    @kamstrup "man" if you need something explained at you

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                    • woe2you@beige.partyW woe2you@beige.party

                      @marco @kamstrup Keystrokes are expensive.

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                      #80

                      @woe2you @marco @kamstrup Keystrokes were a bit expensive when Unix was created. Those teletypes tended to use a lot of paper (thermal paper, which came in long roles). And they were slow (I've used them).

                      Warning - the video shows these things, but there is a lot of typical you-tube babbling.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeL3mbq1mEg

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                      • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                        I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                        #81

                        @kamstrup

                        DD because it's a funny reference to OS/360

                        AWK because the author initials

                        Excel because it's a excellent Visicalc

                        Edge because browsers are edgy

                        Safari because the internet is a jungle

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                        • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

                          @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup The best `man` pages are written to be so opaque that the only people who can understand the `man` page are people who don't need the `man` page because they know it all already.

                          Or possibly because they wrote the `man` page themselves.

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                          #82

                          @angusm @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup There used to be a time when the gold standard for a man page was "You should be able to reverse engineer the program from this manpage". I recently tried to work out how to configure Thermald. Those days are long long gone.

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                          • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                            I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                            #83

                            @kamstrup You have to grepulate it within the string.

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                            • renardboy@mastodon.socialR renardboy@mastodon.social

                              @kamstrup or fsck when you need to fsck

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                              #84

                              @renardboy @kamstrup fsck arnd && fnd out

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                              • stiiin@infosec.spaceS stiiin@infosec.space

                                @dsw @kamstrup Even if this equivalent of locker room humour were funny, half of those commands aren't even in POSIX.

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                                #85

                                @stiiin @dsw @kamstrup POSIX compliant humour only, please, everyone.

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                                • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                                  I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                                  #86

                                  @kamstrup bash - for how you treat your keyboard.

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                                  • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                                    I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                                    #87

                                    @kamstrup Find has always frustrated me. I've found, locate(mlocate), to work much better for me.

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                                    • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                                      @kamstrup
                                      Yep! You can't grep dead trees.

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                                      #88

                                      @brouhaha @kamstrup
                                      I grep OCR'd dead tree media frequently

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                                      • lallemandfabrice@mastodon.mim-libre.frL lallemandfabrice@mastodon.mim-libre.fr

                                        @kamstrup and for non-English speakers ? 😩

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                                        #89

                                        @lallemandfabrice @kamstrup "grep" is not a word in english, it's actually an abbreviation of "g/re/p", a command in ed that (g)lobally looks for a (r)egular (e)xpression and (p)rints matching strings

                                        but a lot of IT people actually use "grep" as a verb meaning "look through a file for mentions of a specific piece of text", like i might say "let me grep for this function", as in "let me look where this function's name is mentioned in the source code"

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                                        • happyborg@fosstodon.orgH happyborg@fosstodon.org

                                          @kamstrup dd for delete data

                                          Maybe it was to encourage us to RTFM?

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                                          #90

                                          @happyborg @kamstrup I know it as disk destroyer!

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