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But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

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  • kkarhan@mastodon.socialK kkarhan@mastodon.social

    @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex I mean, my 10 yr old stupid TV still works fine.

    - No reason to replace anything!

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    #12

    @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex i never understood the appeal of a "smart tv".
    Just let me watch my normal stuff from my laptop. I already know my laptop and all my browser plugins are there etc.

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    • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

      But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

      https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

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      #13

      @Hex
      I am surprised by how easy it is to bypass a VPN on iOS!

      "The SDK’s config ships a flag “use_netifs”: true. That flag triggers code in the SDK binary that constructs its NWConnection with a specific required interface: en0 (WiFi) or pdp_ip0 (cellular), rather than using the system default route.

      On iOS, this bypasses any configured VPN’s tun0 interface entirely. The peer tunnel does not cross a user-configured VPN, even when the rest of the app’s HTTPS traffic does."

      #VPN #iOS #privacy

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      • nunesgh@mastodon.socialN nunesgh@mastodon.social

        @Hex
        I am surprised by how easy it is to bypass a VPN on iOS!

        "The SDK’s config ships a flag “use_netifs”: true. That flag triggers code in the SDK binary that constructs its NWConnection with a specific required interface: en0 (WiFi) or pdp_ip0 (cellular), rather than using the system default route.

        On iOS, this bypasses any configured VPN’s tun0 interface entirely. The peer tunnel does not cross a user-configured VPN, even when the rest of the app’s HTTPS traffic does."

        #VPN #iOS #privacy

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        #14

        @nunesgh

        Surprised not I am.

        #unplugapple #unplugTrump

        @Hex

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        • saxnot@chaos.socialS saxnot@chaos.social

          @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex i never understood the appeal of a "smart tv".
          Just let me watch my normal stuff from my laptop. I already know my laptop and all my browser plugins are there etc.

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          #15

          @saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs I would literally pay more for a TV that isn't smart. Unfortunately, that's almost impossible to find because vendors figured out they could make more money selling surveillance than hardware.

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          • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

            But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

            https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

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            #16

            @Hex Very interesting. I disconnected my "smart" TV from my wireless router years ago when I noticed it had been sending gigabytes of data without any good reason.

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            • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

              But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

              https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

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              #17

              @Hex

              I should be the one watching the TV. It should not be watching back.

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              • saxnot@chaos.socialS saxnot@chaos.social

                @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex i never understood the appeal of a "smart tv".
                Just let me watch my normal stuff from my laptop. I already know my laptop and all my browser plugins are there etc.

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                #18

                @saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex One example that comes to mind is that, when they have services like Netflix, Disney +, etc. preloaded onto the TV.

                Mostly useful if, say, you have kids, given that those services effectively replaced cable...sort of.

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                • at1st@mstdn.caA at1st@mstdn.ca

                  @saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex One example that comes to mind is that, when they have services like Netflix, Disney +, etc. preloaded onto the TV.

                  Mostly useful if, say, you have kids, given that those services effectively replaced cable...sort of.

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                  #19

                  @saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex (And with respect to kids, people can babysit... without needing your laptop to have the kid watch the "Show/Movie of the month".

                  Is screentime bad for kids' minds? Maybe, but it's good for babysitting damage control; "Sit here and watch Frozen again while I put <Younger kid> to their crib." is...an amazing way to make babysitting multiple kids manageable as a single babysitter.

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                  • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

                    But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

                    https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

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                    #20

                    @Hex@kolektiva.social I solved that issue years ago. All my TVs are dumb. And things like my DVD player and TV are not on the internet. Fuck progress and spyware.

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                    • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

                      But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

                      https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

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                      #21

                      @Hex When I needed a new dumbbox last year, I specifically ordered the 2024 version. They shipped me the '25 version of that same model. Before opening, I looked it up and it was wall-to-wall AI trash. I immediately returned it, then ordered the '24 from someone else.

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                      • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

                        But if *I* hijack *their* devices it's a "felony."

                        https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/

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                        #22

                        @Hex omg so that's the explanation for what's hitting our gitlab, i already blocked over 1.5 million IPs! > Bright Data is a data-collection company that sells access to what it markets as the world’s largest residential proxy network of 400M+ home IP addresses that its customers route web-scraping traffic through.

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                        • at1st@mstdn.caA at1st@mstdn.ca

                          @saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex One example that comes to mind is that, when they have services like Netflix, Disney +, etc. preloaded onto the TV.

                          Mostly useful if, say, you have kids, given that those services effectively replaced cable...sort of.

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                          #23

                          @AT1ST @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex one could have the same with like Kodi…

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                          • saxnot@chaos.socialS saxnot@chaos.social

                            @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex i never understood the appeal of a "smart tv".
                            Just let me watch my normal stuff from my laptop. I already know my laptop and all my browser plugins are there etc.

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                            #24

                            @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex +9001%

                            Worst-Case I just shove #Kodi (nee #xbmc) on a #NUC (or upcycled Laptop*) and have that as an option.
                            - Getting a cheap wireless combo thingy (i.e. Logitech MK270 or Rii X8) and be done with it…

                            *: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fnsGHe8eE

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                            • kkarhan@mastodon.socialK kkarhan@mastodon.social

                              @AT1ST @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex one could have the same with like Kodi…

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                              #25

                              @kkarhan @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex Sure, but now you need *two* devices, and you have to always make sure the TV screen is set to the right input to accept the Kodi box, once it's turned on (It is on, right?).

                              The benefit of a smart TV is that, as long as they aren't spying and telemetry harvesting your data, you get the best of both, but in one device.

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                              • at1st@mstdn.caA at1st@mstdn.ca

                                @kkarhan @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex Sure, but now you need *two* devices, and you have to always make sure the TV screen is set to the right input to accept the Kodi box, once it's turned on (It is on, right?).

                                The benefit of a smart TV is that, as long as they aren't spying and telemetry harvesting your data, you get the best of both, but in one device.

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                                #26

                                @AT1ST @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex well, I've yet to find a TV (or any screen) that doesn't turn on upon getting an HDMI/DVI/VGA/DP/SCART signal.

                                - And the few cases where you don't want people fumbling around (and you can't be assed to i.e. send a Wake-on-LAN packet) are digital signage and those are on 24/7 or get powered on/off by scheduled breakers anyway…

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                                • hex@kolektiva.socialH hex@kolektiva.social

                                  @saxnot @kkarhan @groxx @silberfuchs I would literally pay more for a TV that isn't smart. Unfortunately, that's almost impossible to find because vendors figured out they could make more money selling surveillance than hardware.

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                                  #27

                                  @Hex @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs Consider buying a "Monitor" or "Digital Signage Display" instead?

                                  - Those are just Stupid TVs these days…

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                                  • kkarhan@mastodon.socialK kkarhan@mastodon.social

                                    @AT1ST @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex well, I've yet to find a TV (or any screen) that doesn't turn on upon getting an HDMI/DVI/VGA/DP/SCART signal.

                                    - And the few cases where you don't want people fumbling around (and you can't be assed to i.e. send a Wake-on-LAN packet) are digital signage and those are on 24/7 or get powered on/off by scheduled breakers anyway…

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                                    #28

                                    @kkarhan @saxnot @groxx @silberfuchs @Hex I take it you don't run multiple inputs into a single TV, without using an input splitter.

                                    If you have something that's HDMI 1, another on HDMI 2, and a third on DVI, and most of those devices are just in sleep mode most of the time (Or some are perpetually on.), then...it really sells the "Just go to one screen, and figure out which of the 5 services has the movie/show you want to watch.".

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