Hi Everyone!

[tsvenson@mastodon.online]

@sophiekaz @twoowls73

As long as the "network effect" and convenience dominate, it will be a challenge to get family and friends to even install a better choice while still having their current. I see the challenge as marathon, not a sprint.

The biggest hurdle is for many to connect the negative consequences - in particular surveillance profiling - resulting from those business models.

Personally I focus on using for real things with those who do try. Found that is the most rewarding for all.

[debacle@framapiaf.org]

@sophiekaz

The best is #Jabber/#XMPP, of course.
Federated messaging since 1999!
No centralized #bigTech servers like WA or Signal.

Very easy onboarding with #Quicksy by @daniel (Android client) and @Monal (iOS client).

There are many other federated messengers, of course, which are also nice.

[amblergee@indieweb.social]

@sophiekaz I am only familiar with Signal, but it is thoroughly modern and is secure as it gets. And Meredith Whittaker - the president of the Signal Foundation - represents the vanguard of ethical tech !

https://youtu.be/Oa3ccm-eF2w?si=XamqMjz_TPA2L2Uq

[chriszx@social.vivaldi.net]

@sophiekaz I would second @Delta and @arcanechat, my experience is these have been so easy to use and based on email, which is a great use of long standing technology we're all familiar with.

[dgoldsmith@mastodon.social]

@jeridansky @sophiekaz Also worth mentioning https://delta.chat which is decentralized.

[tantramar@zeroes.ca]

@sophiekaz Apple Messages where possible; Signal where necessary. Signal is very good. There are no other options on the table here; WhatsApp, WeChat are a hard no-go from me. ‍️

[drjlecter@beige.party]

@sophiekaz I've gotten quite a few of my friends to use Signal now. Family is an uphill battle. I got sister and mother to use Telegram to communicate with me a few years back (they still use whatsapp for all of their friends and colleagues ) and now I feel bad for being a "well actually" guy to make them use Signal instead

[sindum@mstdn.dk]

@sophiekaz Signal for general connections to friends. DeltaChat to ad hoc groups if not all is on Signal. DeltaChat is ultra simpel and easy onboarding. I'm s great fan of DeltaChat.

[raven@fedi.at]

@sophiekaz
signal, threema

#Privacy #DeleteMeta #WhatsApp

[lisagetspolitik@union.place]

@twoowls73 @sophiekaz I agree! I tried to get my brother and his family to leave FB messenger but his response is "it's pretty integrated into Taiwain society" (he lives in Taiwan) so it's a non starter sadly.

[albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz]

@sophiekaz @twoowls73

One family or friends gathering at a time: get whole groups to change on the spot, then continue using the Signal group for everything so that it becomes the main channel.

[stevejohnson42@nerdculture.de]

@sophiekaz - not sure if it is the best - but I have tried to get people migrated to Telegram in my circles

[opalmirror@hachyderm.io]

@Armavica @sophiekaz very helpful link, thanks! Fwiw spouse and I use Telegram, and immediate household uses Discord. Tried Matrix for a time and when it worked it was good, but was difficult to keep working/stable.

[borisbarbour@mastodon.social]

@sophiekaz

+1 for Signal. It's almost certainly the most secure, and is going from strength to strength. Really quite reliable.

Doubtless I was lucky, but the 3-4 groups I needed to move were very happy to do so if someone else set it up.

[coffee2di4@glasgow.social]

@tsvenson
Thanks for the link, they include a few other useful comparisons too.
@Armavica @sophiekaz

[gertvk@mastodon.nz]

Hi @sophiekaz
Look into #deltachat !!
https://delta.chat/en/download
Best option IMHO !!!!

[adbenitez@mastodon.social]

@sophiekaz I recommend you Delta Chat, it has a super easy onboarding! easier than WhatsApp, Signal etc. no phone number or anything required for registration, just set a name and go

it also has in-chat mini-apps and tools like shopping lists, collaborative notepads, mini-games etc.

it is decentralized, open source and it also empowers you with multi-homing (and easy migration of servers without losing your profile and chats)

it is ideal for family and friends

[adbenitez@mastodon.social]

@nickrauchen your poster is misleading, it says "join the fediverse" and then you recommend Signal, a centralized service, that is not federated in any way, please instead recommend something that is federated like #DeltaChat and/or #xmpp

[raphm@mamot.fr]

@sophiekaz

If I didn't know #deltachat I would have recommended signal, but since I discovered a decentralized messaging app that works just the same I don't see any good reasons to recommend signal now... Signal uses servers of (and therefore gives money to) amazon, microsoft, etc.

I made my family move from telegram/whatsapp to signal a few years ago.
I'm now planning to convince them to move to deltachat

[leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se]

@adbenitez @nickrauchen