Own goal of the century:

[sous_mon_masque@eldritch.cafe]

Mackelmore did not "condemn genocide",

he did a nazi salute while wearing a false big nose (jewish caricature)

Photos here (text in French)
https://piaille.fr/@scudery/117274599694126629

@Sylvhem

[thatfeministwoman@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @androcat @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague I'm saying this cause my parents are from Kosovo (Kosovo albanians) so I kind of can relate to this never ending problem (it's not me it's you and the other one says the same) and 30 f*cking years and still nothing has changed and parents continuing the cycle of teaching their children to hate the "Enemy" neighbor. I'm tired of the cycle of hate. Nothing will change If we continue hating each other

[sous_mon_masque@eldritch.cafe]

@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

Are these photos of Macklemore not antisemitic ?
(text in French)

https://piaille.fr/@scudery/117274599694126629

[kerplunk@mastodon.scot]

@randahl

Own goal of the century: Ed Sheerans Israel Genocide Support.

No support whatsoever for
Ed She ran
here, disgusting piece of work has earned a full boycott..

[simon318ppm@mastodon.sdf.org]

@randahl as Nye Bevan put it, “People who walk down the middle of the road get run over”

Let’s hope Sheeran reflects on projecting neutrality in the face of genocide - and starts by educating himself

[wendinoakland@beige.party]

@benroyce yup, exactly. Friends were just describing a Jewish community in Philadelphis utterly split over this stuff. Insane. @Uair @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

the way i understand that incident is he used a random disguise, in his words, and he apologized for the confusion of appearing to be antisemitic

now you could take him at his word

or insist he was an antisemite and a liar

either way, his statement on antisemitism two days ago shows a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, and that it is wrong

[thatfeministwoman@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @randahl @FrancoisPrague this is the first time I heard that she is jewish. I've been a fan since the early 2000's and I never knew it before

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @androcat @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

it's really the same thing:

a blood feud

in the balkans and the levant

an endless cycle of violence

"i'm going to kill you because your dad killed my dad because my grandfather killed your grandfather, etc, etc"

and like the 1990s, what stopped it was intervention

i feel the world has to intervene in the levant. the problem is getting the will to commit to that. it is a big ask. i don't see any other way

[sylvhem@eldritch.cafe]

@sous_mon_masque Ooooooof.

(But he did condemn genocide, more recently. But now I suspect I know what its motivation is .)

[sous_mon_masque@eldritch.cafe]

@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

So he is able to have a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, but this "random disguise" passed his screening ?

"I have a clear understanding of nazism but it appear this random drawing I made is a what ? A svastika ? Sorry I thought it was a budhist symbol."

Addition : for the nazi salute, did he sent hearts, made a "random gesture" or "the camera took the wrong image and he was doing something totally different ?

[ginevracat@toot.community]

@randahl GOOD.

[sous_mon_masque@eldritch.cafe]

@Sylvhem

Of course he condemn genocide.

Half the far-right condemn genocide.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

he said he used a witch nose and a beard and a wig to sneak in unnoticed

did he immediately launch into an antisemitic tirade?

no

so it is plausible he was a moron about it

it's also plausible he was an antisemite and a liar and you are right

i'm not going to make a judgment either way, and look to his words from two days ago

but we live in a world where people are canceled forever in snap judgment, zero caution, so do as you do

[sous_mon_masque@eldritch.cafe]

@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?

They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
And made that decision.

[sous_mon_masque@eldritch.cafe]

@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

And this nose ? To "go unnoticed" ?

[kimsj@mastodon.social]

@aral @randahl @benroyce
This point needs to be stressed again and again. Netanyahu is deliberately conflating hate for his Government with antisemitism, to the serious detriment of Jews everywhere. It’s a cynical move to make Jews outside Israel feel less safe and thus more likely to support Zionism. What an evil man Netanyahu is!

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

finneas, graham and rowe all quit, so no for them: they're in macklemore's camp

as for canceling sheeran, the issue there is him caving to plutocrat douchebags, whatever you think about israel or palestine, and for that reason i *criticize* him, i don't cancel him

of course, plenty of others will cancel ed

that's what people do nowadays

instant casting into the pits of hell on every snap judgment

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague

i already said: you can accept macklemore's explanation and his apology and consider him a moron, or you can consider him a liar and an antisemite. i don't care. do whatever you want

for me, i will refer to his words on antisemitism from two days ago

[androcat@toot.cat]

@benroyce

Israelis have been murdering Palestinians (overwhelmingly) for just 70 years.

We have to admit that zionism was a mistake.

Will there be a place for a "jewish ethnostate" in the middle-east?

That is not a given. If it can only be maintained with an endless stream of US bombs, then maybe there shouldn't be?

@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague