Own goal of the century:
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Own goal of the century:
British singer and songwriter Ed Sheeran's Loop tour boots American rapper Macklemore, after Macklemore condemns Israel's genocide in Gaza.
Result:
American singer Fineas quits the Loop tour.
Dublin singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe quits.
Danish pop singer Lucas Graham quits.
Ed Sheeran's own backing band Beoga quits.
The tour was supposed to continue until December, but all that is left is Ed Sheeran and the support for Israel's genocide.
@randahl as Nye Bevan put it, “People who walk down the middle of the road get run over”
Let’s hope Sheeran reflects on projecting neutrality in the face of genocide - and starts by educating himself
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@benroyce yup, exactly. Friends were just describing a Jewish community in Philadelphis utterly split over this stuff. Insane. @Uair @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Are these photos of Macklemore not antisemitic ?
(text in French)@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the way i understand that incident is he used a random disguise, in his words, and he apologized for the confusion of appearing to be antisemitic
now you could take him at his word
or insist he was an antisemite and a liar
either way, his statement on antisemitism two days ago shows a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, and that it is wrong
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#Pink deserves to be mentioned because it was Pink who triggered this entire drama. it was her who brought to the recent forefront criticism of #Macklemore for his support for #Palestine, he has been doing this on stage for years
also: she claims to be defending Jews. this isn't about Jews or antisemitism, it's about #Israel's actions
and I don't know when this world will finally understand the radioactively obvious fucking difference
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/music/music-news/pink-anti-macklemore-palestine-post-1236698412/
@benroyce @randahl @FrancoisPrague this is the first time I heard that she is jewish. I've been a fan since the early 2000's and I never knew it before
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@benroyce @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @androcat @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague I'm saying this cause my parents are from Kosovo (Kosovo albanians) so I kind of can relate to this never ending problem (it's not me it's you and the other one says the same) and 30 f*cking years and still nothing has changed and parents continuing the cycle of teaching their children to hate the "Enemy" neighbor. I'm tired of the cycle of hate. Nothing will change If we continue hating each other
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @androcat @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
it's really the same thing:
a blood feud
in the balkans and the levant
an endless cycle of violence
"i'm going to kill you because your dad killed my dad because my grandfather killed your grandfather, etc, etc"
and like the 1990s, what stopped it was intervention
i feel the world has to intervene in the levant. the problem is getting the will to commit to that. it is a big ask. i don't see any other way
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Mackelmore did not "condemn genocide",
he did a nazi salute while wearing a false big nose (jewish caricature)
Photos here (text in French)
https://piaille.fr/@scudery/117274599694126629@sous_mon_masque Ooooooof.
(But he did condemn genocide, more recently. But now I suspect I know what its motivation is
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@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the way i understand that incident is he used a random disguise, in his words, and he apologized for the confusion of appearing to be antisemitic
now you could take him at his word
or insist he was an antisemite and a liar
either way, his statement on antisemitism two days ago shows a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, and that it is wrong
@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
So he is able to have a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, but this "random disguise" passed his screening ?
"I have a clear understanding of nazism but it appear this random drawing I made is a what ? A svastika ? Sorry I thought it was a budhist symbol."
Addition : for the nazi salute, did he sent hearts, made a "random gesture" or "the camera took the wrong image and he was doing something totally different ?
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Own goal of the century:
British singer and songwriter Ed Sheeran's Loop tour boots American rapper Macklemore, after Macklemore condemns Israel's genocide in Gaza.
Result:
American singer Fineas quits the Loop tour.
Dublin singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe quits.
Danish pop singer Lucas Graham quits.
Ed Sheeran's own backing band Beoga quits.
The tour was supposed to continue until December, but all that is left is Ed Sheeran and the support for Israel's genocide.
@randahl GOOD.
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@sous_mon_masque Ooooooof.
(But he did condemn genocide, more recently. But now I suspect I know what its motivation is
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
So he is able to have a clear understanding of what antisemitism is, but this "random disguise" passed his screening ?
"I have a clear understanding of nazism but it appear this random drawing I made is a what ? A svastika ? Sorry I thought it was a budhist symbol."
Addition : for the nazi salute, did he sent hearts, made a "random gesture" or "the camera took the wrong image and he was doing something totally different ?
@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
he said he used a witch nose and a beard and a wig to sneak in unnoticed
did he immediately launch into an antisemitic tirade?
no
so it is plausible he was a moron about it
it's also plausible he was an antisemite and a liar and you are right
i'm not going to make a judgment either way, and look to his words from two days ago
but we live in a world where people are canceled forever in snap judgment, zero caution, so do as you do
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@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
he said he used a witch nose and a beard and a wig to sneak in unnoticed
did he immediately launch into an antisemitic tirade?
no
so it is plausible he was a moron about it
it's also plausible he was an antisemite and a liar and you are right
i'm not going to make a judgment either way, and look to his words from two days ago
but we live in a world where people are canceled forever in snap judgment, zero caution, so do as you do
@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?
They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?
They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
And made that decision.@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
And this nose ? To "go unnoticed" ?
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@aral @randahl @benroyce
This point needs to be stressed again and again. Netanyahu is deliberately conflating hate for his Government with antisemitism, to the serious detriment of Jews everywhere. It’s a cynical move to make Jews outside Israel feel less safe and thus more likely to support Zionism. What an evil man Netanyahu is! -
@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Anyway, knowing that, it seems bad to cancel Fineas, Rowe, Grafam and Ed Sheeran forever in a snap judgment, no ?
They discussed with him privately.
They know more.
And made that decision.@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
finneas, graham and rowe all quit, so no for them: they're in macklemore's camp
as for canceling sheeran, the issue there is him caving to plutocrat douchebags, whatever you think about israel or palestine, and for that reason i *criticize* him, i don't cancel him
of course, plenty of others will cancel ed
that's what people do nowadays
instant casting into the pits of hell on every snap judgment
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@benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
And this nose ? To "go unnoticed" ?
@sous_mon_masque @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
i already said: you can accept macklemore's explanation and his apology and consider him a moron, or you can consider him a liar and an antisemite. i don't care. do whatever you want
for me, i will refer to his words on antisemitism from two days ago
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@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @androcat @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
thank you
israel has a right to exist
palestine has a right to exist
the *only* way forward is a two state solution
but neither seems capable of working that out
israelis and palestinians were murdering each other long before i was born, and probably long after i'm dead
unless...
what?
i feel the two state solution has to be imposed on them by the world
but that is a *huge* ask
so we are stuck
Israelis have been murdering Palestinians (overwhelmingly) for just 70 years.
We have to admit that zionism was a mistake.
Will there be a place for a "jewish ethnostate" in the middle-east?
That is not a given. If it can only be maintained with an endless stream of US bombs, then maybe there shouldn't be?
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
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@Uair it’s heckin complicated. A lot of non-Jewish people don’t understand that Israel is separate from Judaism. I’ve had to explain to very good pals that I didn’t have any connection to or sympathy for Israel, that my Judaism was entirely disconnected from Israel. That branding campaign has been extremely successful and problematic because they aren’t one & the same. @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
@wendinoakland @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
Sorry to hear that. I'm atheist, but read a ton of Jews. Not one of 'em supports this shit. They're fairly quiet about it as public figures. They don't want to get attacked by the ADL. I think something like 70% or Israel has been out to protest Bennie in the past couple years.
But you don't have to worry about me. You, and I, need to worry about the dumb thug on the street who likes hurting people way more than he likes thinking about things. And I can see Bennie making that worse, by a lot.
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Israelis have been murdering Palestinians (overwhelmingly) for just 70 years.
We have to admit that zionism was a mistake.
Will there be a place for a "jewish ethnostate" in the middle-east?
That is not a given. If it can only be maintained with an endless stream of US bombs, then maybe there shouldn't be?
@Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
@androcat @Thatfeministwoman @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague
the problem with those words is you are supporting one of the 2 maximalist positions: the area completely palestinian (the other: the area completely israeli)
both maximalist positions lead to a river of blood
so no, i reject your words
the only way forward, unless you love death and suffering, is a 2 state solution
understand that and join us at the 2 state table
or admit what you are really supporting
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Own goal of the century:
British singer and songwriter Ed Sheeran's Loop tour boots American rapper Macklemore, after Macklemore condemns Israel's genocide in Gaza.
Result:
American singer Fineas quits the Loop tour.
Dublin singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe quits.
Danish pop singer Lucas Graham quits.
Ed Sheeran's own backing band Beoga quits.
The tour was supposed to continue until December, but all that is left is Ed Sheeran and the support for Israel's genocide.
@randahl I just hitted the "don't play this artist" button on Spotify
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@androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague build a wall instead k*lling them or taking their lands. Or maybe they could have had 50% of the land and Palestine the other 50? I don't know If that's just a dream
@Thatfeministwoman @androcat @ManWhoTalksToHisHand @benroyce @lordkhan @randahl @FrancoisPrague israel wants it all. palestine wants it all. in 3000 years that region has only known a few periods of peace longer than 100 years (there were still skirmishes and revolts).
as reasonable as your suggestion sounds, unfortunately sustained peace is not possible in that region. best you can hope for is a temporary hault in hostilities, with a new flare up in a few years.
