"It looks like you're using an unsupported browser"

[leeloo@c.im]

@failedLyndonLaRouchite @ptribble
Because they are WEB sites. You know, the thing consisting of open standards.

Look, if you want to make a Microsoft Publisher file, go ahead, but don't pretend that it's a web site. Then there's no pesky standards to follow, only the people with the right software can open it, AND you get to use a nice drag'n'drop gui tool to make it.

Also, 90% of the time, the only thing these minority browsers have done "wrong" is having a slighly different useragent string than the Chrome browser they are really just a skin on top of. You know, the useragent string that has been completely unreliable since the introduction of Internet Explorer.

[failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to]

@leeloo @ptribble in some theoretical fantasy world where website devs have the time to do things right, you would be correct

in the real world where the boss's Boss's boss is demanding glitzy new graphics, not so much

[colman@mastodon.ie]

@failedLyndonLaRouchite @ptribble half the time those sites don’t even support Safari, which hardly counts as a weird browser, so don’t give me that nonsense.

[failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to]

@Colman @ptribble

I will stipulate that some sites don't support Safari, which appears to be roughly 15% or so browsers

so that is a fail

[leeloo@c.im]

@failedLyndonLaRouchite @ptribble
No, your website devs are just imbeciles.

Or you are still designing for Internet Explorer.

[failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to]

@leeloo @ptribble

ah , you have, at last, rediscovered Sturgeon's Law !!

congrats !!

[justinas@soc.dudenas.lt]

@ozzelot conceptually every website is an ad, even if merely for your opinion

[jackpearse@nrw.social]

@ptribble

You should not use browsers at all.

BACK TO BINARY

[fubaroque@mastodon.social]

@ptribble ... the browser would probably simply have worked just fine, if there had not been a braindead browser detection script preventing that. 🤯

[ozzelot@mstdn.social]

@justinas the best adblocker is pulling your router

[apzpins@some.apz.fi]

@ptribble "We recommend that you use a mainstream browser"

Me, staring at the screen in disbelief while using FireFox.

[pavlovscat@mastodonapp.uk]

@ptribble or…we really don’t like your ad blockers.

[kichae@wanderingadventure.party]

OddOpinions5 Tgere are 3 browser engines. Building for the one that is destroying the open web doesn’t make you a good developer. It just makes you a lazy authoritarian bootlicker.

Like, the one you’re calling a niche option here is almost certainly Firefox. If you’re butching about people using Firefox, you’re paart of the problem and you should go seal yourself away until you understand that.

[steve@feltmarker.uk]

@ozzelot @rysiek @ptribble also, no and bye

[squaloujenkins@fosstodon.org]

@failedLyndonLaRouchite @unixwitch @ptribble when it isn't it's because the site does not conform to standard.

Now imagine if a mobile device company deciding to sell a device with a plug that does not conform to standards, nobody would buy it ...would they ? Oh wait

[claralistensprechen3rd@friendica.myportal.social]

@ozzelot @ptribble Anytime I get a message like that, I cease promoting or quoting that site on here because THEY should pay ME for promoting them. That's part and parcel why I don't post YouTube links as a rule--my use of ad blockers, they sternly tell me, is against their Terms of Service as if I'm a client when I'm not. Fork that snit.

[the_wub@mastodon.social]

@ptribble So who is going to write a browser extension that automatically changes "unsupported browser" messages to an "unsupported website" message?

The browser extension to also presents a button that allows the user to permanently block that website itself and also block it from appearing in search engine results.

And a second button lets the browser user send an auto generated complaint email to the website maintainer in the style of Bowerick Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged.

[dirkhh@hachyderm.io]

@ozzelot
I consider this a useful filter for websites I decline to interact with. And I don't think I'm missing anything by doing so..

@ptribble

[failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to]

@kichae

FireFox is what, 3% or so of users ?

it is a niche, and it really doesn't matter what you think, the world doesn't do what you want
and also telling people to seal themselves off, do you even hear yourself talk or you dont care ?

[raven667@hachyderm.io]

@unixwitch @failedLyndonLaRouchite @ptribble I build internal web apps and stick to the standards (as documented by Mozilla) but not all browsers have even support. *Most* things work OK, but I've had trouble with WebKit just not respectiing standard CSS (display: none on a disabled element of an option list) leading to the need for workarounds, and I can't imagine cut-down browsers like Dillo actually working if you use standards created in the last 10y.

If you say websites should stick to standardized behavior then I'm with you, if you say that semantic tagging is better than a mess of sic/span with massive amounts of inlined style and aria attributes I'm there, but if you say that the standards can't be used in practice because some personal volunteer project used by less than a percent of people doesn't have the resources to implement them, then I say "no", choosing to use an incomplete browser can lead to broken sites