If you’re still using Proton mail:
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Sure, RiseUp is very good, and much more trustworthy¹ than Proton.
They're not playing in the same category.
But Riseup is invitation-only, and from what I've been told, they don't provide new tokens (to invite people) anymore.
It's not a general-purpose resource like Proton is, but a (very useful) service dedicated for militants.¹note though that their privacy canary is dead; I understand why they don't put a new one on, but it's still a problem
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@willegible @slothrop I can be pretty annoying sometimes to some people
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Yes, existing accounts are still working.
But can you still generate tokens ?
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@tempusfelix @slothrop For now, Tutamail. Mailo also seems ok, but tbh, being a non-entity doesn't necessarily mean the company is fine, just means there's currently no evidence of fascism
@Mimesatwork @tempusfelix @slothrop
@Tutanota (tutamail) is on Fedi.
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@alice @slothrop Yeah, unfortunately they had some bullshit around vocally supporting Trump and the christofascist GOP early last year. They got butthurt for getting called out on it and decided to "refocus [their] social media efforts" which meant slumbering their fediverse account.
I canceled my Proton Founder's subscription and moved over to @fastmail specifically because they supported more private domains. I've been very happy with the service.
The other recommendation I always see floating around is @Tutanota but they only documented 10 private domains when I was looking
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@slothrop It looks to me like Lapierre joined Proton's 'influencers' programme (https://proton.me/partners). The most charitable interpretation is that Proton perform no real vetting on the 'influencers' who apply and are unaware of their content. That charitable interpretation is bad enough. The less charitable interpretations, of course, are that Proton don't care about or even endorse their content. Needless to say, even the most charitable interpretation is unacceptable.
@willegible @slothrop
Andy Chen de Proton, un fan de la nouvelle administration Trump (et de l'ancienne).Andy Chen of Proton was a fan of the new Trump administration as well as the old one.
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@willegible @slothrop
Andy Chen de Proton, un fan de la nouvelle administration Trump (et de l'ancienne).Andy Chen of Proton was a fan of the new Trump administration as well as the old one.
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
@slothrop Are you sure that's not just a generic affiliate link that anyone can sign up for?
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@slothrop and?
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@slothrop and?
@yaxu well, your call, I guess?
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
Boycott Proton as if it were a secret agent working for the Nazis, because it is.
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we also used to like #twitter
the unfortunate truth is plutocrats can destroy any company by buying it out
the only solution is to side eye any for profit business venture. it can be bought out, and once bought out, it can be gutted of its original purpose
of course there's also the phenomenon of the #techbro founding a company and winning adulation and *then* we find out about their true sentiments
(hello, #bluesky )
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
1. Moving your email provider is a non trivial task.
2. I have just finished moving my entire ecosystem from google to proton (ie mail, password manager, VPN etc) because google sux.
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
@slothrop C'est très décourageant. Y a-t-il une compagnie de courriel chiffré plus raisonnable sur le plan politique?
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RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861
If you’re still using Proton mail:
The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.
If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.
UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/
@slothrop Noooooo I just moved away from google and started to get comfy with proton mail.
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@Brett_E_Carlock @drsbaitso @alice @slothrop @fastmail @Tutanota I have been considering Mailbox.org for my eventual flight from gmail. It seems more like a basic ye olde mail provider rather than another lock-in. Someone can now tell me why they’re evil too…
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we also used to like #twitter
the unfortunate truth is plutocrats can destroy any company by buying it out
the only solution is to side eye any for profit business venture. it can be bought out, and once bought out, it can be gutted of its original purpose
of course there's also the phenomenon of the #techbro founding a company and winning adulation and *then* we find out about their true sentiments
(hello, #bluesky )
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@Ox1de that was my thought also @slothrop @protonmail
