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  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

    @impactology

    My prediction?

    The fossil fuel cash funding AI will dry up.

    OPEC & Russia will have laundered sufficient money through Silicon Valley.
    The flight of capital will move on to something real like automated warfare or state surveillance platforms with guaranteed government contracts & a constant cash flow. It'll make AI too expensive.

    The data centers won't get built because the speculators will move elsewhere.

    Bosses will abandon AI implementation because the ROI is too poor.

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    #13

    @Npars01 agree with this. Its primary use will be the imposition of surveillance and oppression, which will be much in demand as the reality of a future with less affordable energy and resources bites down on distracted polities. At some point though that falls over too as the supply chains for it become impossible to sustain.

    So it is most definitely not “here to stay”, along with much of modernity

    @impactology

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    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

      @impactology @meltedcheese

      AI has found a few niches.

      1. Stock market manipulation

      "Markets are full of predatory trading algorithms. They’ve evolved to hunt in packs." William Gibson

      2. Election meddling
      3. Automated disinformation
      4. Union busting
      5. Malign influence campaigns
      6. Jailbreaking IP
      7. Surveillance capitalism
      8. Price fixing & rent fixing
      9. Monopolization

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      #14

      @Npars01 @meltedcheese

      For businesses its really simple to judge its value : if it saves more money than it costs to use it, otherwise dump it

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      • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

        @Npars01 agree with this. Its primary use will be the imposition of surveillance and oppression, which will be much in demand as the reality of a future with less affordable energy and resources bites down on distracted polities. At some point though that falls over too as the supply chains for it become impossible to sustain.

        So it is most definitely not “here to stay”, along with much of modernity

        @impactology

        https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115711731587842209

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        #15

        @urlyman @Npars01

        Its here to stay as long as VCs are okay with burning their cash on it, seems like they have a lot to be okay with running on loss making AI products

        https://www.a16z.news/p/we-raised-15b-why

        https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/07/anthropic-funding-term-sheet-valuation.html

        They have a comfortable runway to change workplace habits, practices and hiring for the next five years.

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        • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

          @urlyman @Npars01

          Its here to stay as long as VCs are okay with burning their cash on it, seems like they have a lot to be okay with running on loss making AI products

          https://www.a16z.news/p/we-raised-15b-why

          https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/07/anthropic-funding-term-sheet-valuation.html

          They have a comfortable runway to change workplace habits, practices and hiring for the next five years.

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          #16

          @impactology capital evaporated in 2008. It will do so again

          @Npars01

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          • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

            @impactology @meltedcheese

            AI has found a few niches.

            1. Stock market manipulation

            "Markets are full of predatory trading algorithms. They’ve evolved to hunt in packs." William Gibson

            2. Election meddling
            3. Automated disinformation
            4. Union busting
            5. Malign influence campaigns
            6. Jailbreaking IP
            7. Surveillance capitalism
            8. Price fixing & rent fixing
            9. Monopolization

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            #17

            @Npars01 @impactology Automated trading on various markets makes use of AI. I learned a bit about this when I had consulted for a major investment house on their AI tech. They told me 11% of all trades were automatic. It is very complicated to explain how it worked, but it was extremely alarming to me because there were no effective guardrails to prevent emergent escalation effects and market collapse. This was over 10 years ago so maybe it is safer, but I don’t think so.

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            • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

              @impactology capital evaporated in 2008. It will do so again

              @Npars01

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              #18

              @urlyman @Npars01 By then the damage will be done, people can't stop their lives and wait for that. You have to live and adapt

              Already recruiters and hiring mangers are clueless on evaluating skills, its going to get even worse when they insist on evaluating AI tool use. Ones who already are senior level don't have to worry because they already have a track record and prestige, ones that are entering the field now are scrambling

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              • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                @Npars01 @meltedcheese

                For businesses its really simple to judge its value : if it saves more money than it costs to use it, otherwise dump it

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                @impactology @Npars01 There are some domains where decision-making requires processing massive amounts of data and/or require decisions in fractions of a second. People cannot handle this work, they can’t even be in the loop. These are the problem domains most suited to AI-based automation. The value depends a lot on what the problem is that AI is solving. There is no question AI is delivering value well above its cost. That means it will be adopted more and more widely. No doubt in my mind.

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                • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                  @urlyman @Npars01 By then the damage will be done, people can't stop their lives and wait for that. You have to live and adapt

                  Already recruiters and hiring mangers are clueless on evaluating skills, its going to get even worse when they insist on evaluating AI tool use. Ones who already are senior level don't have to worry because they already have a track record and prestige, ones that are entering the field now are scrambling

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                  #20

                  @impactology I’m lucky in that I don’t because I’m in my 60s. My generation and the one after me is pumping a huge river of shit on young people. I hope they find ways to stay out of its strongest currents, because submitting to them will wash them away

                  @Npars01

                  https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115528012100649771

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                  • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                    @impactology @Npars01 There are some domains where decision-making requires processing massive amounts of data and/or require decisions in fractions of a second. People cannot handle this work, they can’t even be in the loop. These are the problem domains most suited to AI-based automation. The value depends a lot on what the problem is that AI is solving. There is no question AI is delivering value well above its cost. That means it will be adopted more and more widely. No doubt in my mind.

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                    #21

                    @meltedcheese @Npars01

                    Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                    https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                    Or any of these domains below?

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                    • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                      @urlyman @Npars01 By then the damage will be done, people can't stop their lives and wait for that. You have to live and adapt

                      Already recruiters and hiring mangers are clueless on evaluating skills, its going to get even worse when they insist on evaluating AI tool use. Ones who already are senior level don't have to worry because they already have a track record and prestige, ones that are entering the field now are scrambling

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                      #22

                      @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 being senior holds no weight if you aren’t toeing the line

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                      • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                        @impactology I’m lucky in that I don’t because I’m in my 60s. My generation and the one after me is pumping a huge river of shit on young people. I hope they find ways to stay out of its strongest currents, because submitting to them will wash them away

                        @Npars01

                        https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115528012100649771

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                        #23

                        @urlyman @Npars01

                        Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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                        • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                          @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 being senior holds no weight if you aren’t toeing the line

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                          #24

                          @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                          Sure but you have a referral network to vouch for you for a job opening so you can bypass the getting screened from 1000 of applicants based on shiny college logos part and get straight to the interview

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                          • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                            @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                            Sure but you have a referral network to vouch for you for a job opening so you can bypass the getting screened from 1000 of applicants based on shiny college logos part and get straight to the interview

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                            #25

                            @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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                            • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                              @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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                              #26

                              @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                              Ah got it, yes you're right.

                              Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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                              • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                                @urlyman @Npars01

                                Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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                                #27

                                @impactology yep

                                @Npars01

                                https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115915898771966907

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                                • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                                  @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                                  Ah got it, yes you're right.

                                  Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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                                  #28

                                  @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                                  Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

                                  https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

                                  We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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                                  • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                                    @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                                    Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

                                    https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

                                    We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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                                    #29

                                    @impactology the future of UI is less complex, but we will explore making it more complicated first 😉

                                    @fasterandworse @Npars01

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                                    • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                                      @meltedcheese @Npars01

                                      Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                                      https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                                      Or any of these domains below?

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                                      @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                                        @meltedcheese @Npars01

                                        Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                                        https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                                        Or any of these domains below?

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                                        #31

                                        @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                                        • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                                          @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                                          #32

                                          @meltedcheese @impactology

                                          Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                                          More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                                          It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                                          It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                                          https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                                          https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                                          https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                                          https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                                          https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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