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  • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

    @urlyman @Npars01 By then the damage will be done, people can't stop their lives and wait for that. You have to live and adapt

    Already recruiters and hiring mangers are clueless on evaluating skills, its going to get even worse when they insist on evaluating AI tool use. Ones who already are senior level don't have to worry because they already have a track record and prestige, ones that are entering the field now are scrambling

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    @impactology I’m lucky in that I don’t because I’m in my 60s. My generation and the one after me is pumping a huge river of shit on young people. I hope they find ways to stay out of its strongest currents, because submitting to them will wash them away

    @Npars01

    https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115528012100649771

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    • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

      @impactology @Npars01 There are some domains where decision-making requires processing massive amounts of data and/or require decisions in fractions of a second. People cannot handle this work, they can’t even be in the loop. These are the problem domains most suited to AI-based automation. The value depends a lot on what the problem is that AI is solving. There is no question AI is delivering value well above its cost. That means it will be adopted more and more widely. No doubt in my mind.

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      #21

      @meltedcheese @Npars01

      Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

      https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

      Or any of these domains below?

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      • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

        @urlyman @Npars01 By then the damage will be done, people can't stop their lives and wait for that. You have to live and adapt

        Already recruiters and hiring mangers are clueless on evaluating skills, its going to get even worse when they insist on evaluating AI tool use. Ones who already are senior level don't have to worry because they already have a track record and prestige, ones that are entering the field now are scrambling

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        #22

        @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 being senior holds no weight if you aren’t toeing the line

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        • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

          @impactology I’m lucky in that I don’t because I’m in my 60s. My generation and the one after me is pumping a huge river of shit on young people. I hope they find ways to stay out of its strongest currents, because submitting to them will wash them away

          @Npars01

          https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115528012100649771

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          #23

          @urlyman @Npars01

          Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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          • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

            @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 being senior holds no weight if you aren’t toeing the line

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            #24

            @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

            Sure but you have a referral network to vouch for you for a job opening so you can bypass the getting screened from 1000 of applicants based on shiny college logos part and get straight to the interview

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            • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

              @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

              Sure but you have a referral network to vouch for you for a job opening so you can bypass the getting screened from 1000 of applicants based on shiny college logos part and get straight to the interview

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              #25

              @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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              • fasterandworse@hci.socialF fasterandworse@hci.social

                @impactology @urlyman @Npars01 I hear you but I'm referring to the roles themselves. I admire your positive perspective but the word "adapt" is the problematic load-bearer here.

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                #26

                @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                Ah got it, yes you're right.

                Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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                • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                  @urlyman @Npars01

                  Specifically your generation's C-suite folks and they don't even have to worry about pumping shit coz they'll get their kids prestigious internships via the side door anyway.

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                  #27

                  @impactology yep

                  @Npars01

                  https://mastodon.social/@urlyman/115915898771966907

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                  • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                    @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                    Ah got it, yes you're right.

                    Stephen you guys should sell courses, seriously all that tacit expertise on framing problems, finding errors, preventing them and fixing it. All that pre-ai needs to be preserved and taught. The books aren't cutting it because they are too template-y

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                    #28

                    @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                    Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

                    https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

                    We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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                    • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                      @fasterandworse @urlyman @Npars01

                      Vitaly Friedman for example is totally killing it

                      https://x.com/vitalyf/status/2007729848891126098

                      We need you seniors to be loud and open on social media talking about solving complex problems, because currently its being dominated by AI hype bros and landing page designers

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                      #29

                      @impactology the future of UI is less complex, but we will explore making it more complicated first 😉

                      @fasterandworse @Npars01

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                      • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                        @meltedcheese @Npars01

                        Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                        https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                        Or any of these domains below?

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                        #30

                        @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                        • impactology@mastodon.socialI impactology@mastodon.social

                          @meltedcheese @Npars01

                          Manufacturing, logistics, aviation, food safety and finance right? For example Import-export trade compliance software for shipping?

                          https://mastodon.social/@impactology/115912577302179967

                          Or any of these domains below?

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                          @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                            @impactology @Npars01 I recently learned about a similar problem in health care insurance billing. It has become so complicated and time consuming that (US) providers now use specialists who know what works, and that is not the same as what is correct. But you’d have to match improvements on the insurance side also because now they’ve accommodated to getting wrong answers. It’s a costly mess.

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                            #32

                            @meltedcheese @impactology

                            Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                            More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                            It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                            It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                            https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                            https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                            https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                            https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                            https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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                              @meltedcheese @impactology

                              Based on the numbers of use cases for AI, frauds & scams appear to be the most used.

                              More than one pundit has observed that Silicon Valley isn't in the "innovation" industry.

                              It's in the "fake it, until you make it" smoke & mirrors vaporware industry.

                              It sucks up venture capital cash and produces lies more than products.
                              https://www.businessinsider.com/venture-capital-big-tech-antitrust-predatory-pricing-uber-wework-bird-2023-7

                              https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-30-posiwid-social-cost-of-carbon-ea59fe4ba150

                              https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article312606310.html

                              https://medium.com/@sohail_saifi/silicon-valleys-dirty-secret-the-real-reason-startups-fail-it-s-not-what-you-think-fdc75d69ba0e

                              https://www.panewslab.com/en/articles/fbcc6570-210b-49d4-946e-27b46c4a836d

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                              @Npars01 @impactology Vaporware is a constant problem, from my POV. I’d call that business fraud. AI is no different than many other technologies or business models based on hype. Unfortunately, hype sometimes does pay off in the short term so it persists.

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                              • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                                @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                                @meltedcheese @impactology

                                https://gijn.org/stories/gijc25-uncover-transnational-scam-operations/

                                https://www.fastcompany.com/91460661/deepfakes-business-supply-chain-risk-executives

                                https://www.cfo.com/news/advanced-generative-ai-cyber-fraud-rose-118-last-year/739157/

                                https://www.reuters.com/practical-law-the-journal/transactional/ai-supply-chain-2025-06-01/

                                https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/minimizing-risks-of-criminal-exposure-to-scam-compounds-in-corporate-supply-chains/

                                https://www.techradar.com/pro/how-phishing-attacks-are-hitting-the-supply-chain-and-how-to-fight-back

                                https://www.globaltrademag.com/supply-chain-instability-opens-the-door-to-ai-powered-fraud/

                                https://securitybrief.com.au/story/australian-businesses-lose-aud-2-03-billion-as-ai-scams-surge

                                https://www.paymentsjournal.com/the-payment-process-the-supply-chains-most-overlooked-cyber-risk/

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                                • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                                  @Npars01 @impactology Vaporware is a constant problem, from my POV. I’d call that business fraud. AI is no different than many other technologies or business models based on hype. Unfortunately, hype sometimes does pay off in the short term so it persists.

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                                  @meltedcheese @impactology

                                  Knew which side AI initiatives had joined when Koch announced funding for forced user adoption for "economic mobility".
                                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                  Charles Koch spent the last 50 years immiserating the middle & working classes, ending democracy, & frying the planet.

                                  He & his ilk are completely indifferent to anyone but themselves.

                                  If he's spending money on coercing AI adoption, we know why. More of the same, but faster.

                                  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

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                                    @meltedcheese @impactology

                                    Knew which side AI initiatives had joined when Koch announced funding for forced user adoption for "economic mobility".
                                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                    Charles Koch spent the last 50 years immiserating the middle & working classes, ending democracy, & frying the planet.

                                    He & his ilk are completely indifferent to anyone but themselves.

                                    If he's spending money on coercing AI adoption, we know why. More of the same, but faster.

                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

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                                    @Npars01 @meltedcheese @impactology

                                    This is ridiculous. An AI app to "help" poor people?

                                    What people need is affordable, safe, clean housing, with long-term leases or reasonable mortgages. Then once they have this financial and mental stability, the people can take it from there, themselves. They don't need a phone app that exploits them and sells their personal data.

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                                    • meltedcheese@c.imM meltedcheese@c.im

                                      @impactology @Npars01 I’m familiar with use of #AI in the first three domains you mention. One of my own inventions was licensed by a big pharmaceutical company to automate a factory. In general, logistics and supply chain in nearly every industry are fertile areas as well. You don’t hear about those successful applications because the terminology for the tech used is typically more precise (e.g., “constraint satisfaction”) and thus harder to explain to non-experts. This is antithetical to hype.

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                                      @meltedcheese @Npars01 That's amazing you invented an entirely new solution! Can you share more details on that, what was the problem & how did you arrive at the solution?

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