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  • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

    In the past, Morocco has repeatedly used migration flows to Ceuta and Melilla as political leverage against Spain. In 2021, the Spanish government had the leader of the Western Sahara independence movement, the Polisario, flown in under a false name from Algerian exile to be treated for a severe COVID-19 illness without informing Morocco. For Morocco, this was a provocation because it views the Polisario as an opponent in the Western Sahara conflict, and Algeria also regards Morocco as an enemy.

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    #4

    Spain currently has extremely poor relations with Israel and the USA after the Spanish government criticized Israel's genocide in Gaza and refused to participate in the US and Israeli war of aggression against Iran. These are two of the closest political partners of the Moroccan king. Israel's UN Ambassador Danny Danon reacted on Friday with malice to the events in Ceuta, linking them to Spain constantly "preaching to Israel." As early as 2019, Yair Netanyahu, the son of the Israeli Prime Minister, called for Ceuta to be "liberated" from Spanish control. The US government is also engaging in open hostility toward Spain. "Don't even speak to them. They are hopeless. They are bad people," US President Trump said at the beginning of July. It is obvious that Israel and the USA also have an interest in trouble for Spain.

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    • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

      Spain currently has extremely poor relations with Israel and the USA after the Spanish government criticized Israel's genocide in Gaza and refused to participate in the US and Israeli war of aggression against Iran. These are two of the closest political partners of the Moroccan king. Israel's UN Ambassador Danny Danon reacted on Friday with malice to the events in Ceuta, linking them to Spain constantly "preaching to Israel." As early as 2019, Yair Netanyahu, the son of the Israeli Prime Minister, called for Ceuta to be "liberated" from Spanish control. The US government is also engaging in open hostility toward Spain. "Don't even speak to them. They are hopeless. They are bad people," US President Trump said at the beginning of July. It is obvious that Israel and the USA also have an interest in trouble for Spain.

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      #5

      The Bigger Picture

      The event as such has no concrete consequences, other than worldwide incitement against Sanchez, Spain, migrants, and Muslims. Sanchez and Spain are seen as critics and a counter-model to right-wing governments worldwide, such as in the US, Italy, etc. The internet is filling up with apocalyptic scenarios, terrifying depictions, and scaremongering. The richest man in the world, Elon Musk, a self-confessed right-winger and supporter of the US government, compared the situation to a zombie apocalypse. AfD politicians babbled about an "attack," a "declaration of war," or "terror." Voices from and close to the Israeli government portrayed the situation as punishment for Spain. Italy's right-wing Prime Minister Meloni announced she would pause the Schengen Agreement with Spain—which, by the way, is legally impossible.

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      • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

        The Facts:

        Ceuta is not Europe. Ceuta is an enclave of Spain in North Africa, a remnant of Spanish trading outposts and colonialism. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area; an uncontrolled border crossing to the European mainland is not possible.

        Worldwide, right-wingers and racists are speaking of an "invasion." The representation is being artificially exploited through panic-mongering. The reality is far more sober and objective. Anyone entering Ceuta—whether legally or illegally—has not officially entered the EU. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area. To get from Ceuta to the Spanish mainland independently, one needs either EU citizenship, a valid entry permit such as a valid visa, or a successfully completed asylum process. Spain and Morocco announced as early as Thursday that they would return all arrivals to Morocco. Returns began on Friday, and almost all refugees are already back in Morocco.
        #Ceuta #Spain #immigration #refugees #politics

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        #6

        @grassrootsforeurope also getting a very Point Roberts reference, but yeah, not really.

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        • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

          The Facts:

          Ceuta is not Europe. Ceuta is an enclave of Spain in North Africa, a remnant of Spanish trading outposts and colonialism. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area; an uncontrolled border crossing to the European mainland is not possible.

          Worldwide, right-wingers and racists are speaking of an "invasion." The representation is being artificially exploited through panic-mongering. The reality is far more sober and objective. Anyone entering Ceuta—whether legally or illegally—has not officially entered the EU. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area. To get from Ceuta to the Spanish mainland independently, one needs either EU citizenship, a valid entry permit such as a valid visa, or a successfully completed asylum process. Spain and Morocco announced as early as Thursday that they would return all arrivals to Morocco. Returns began on Friday, and almost all refugees are already back in Morocco.
          #Ceuta #Spain #immigration #refugees #politics

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          #7

          @grassrootsforeurope Makes me wonder, if Gibraltar actually (almost perfectly mirroring Ceuta) is in Europe, as it belongs to the U.K. ??

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          • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

            The Facts:

            Ceuta is not Europe. Ceuta is an enclave of Spain in North Africa, a remnant of Spanish trading outposts and colonialism. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area; an uncontrolled border crossing to the European mainland is not possible.

            Worldwide, right-wingers and racists are speaking of an "invasion." The representation is being artificially exploited through panic-mongering. The reality is far more sober and objective. Anyone entering Ceuta—whether legally or illegally—has not officially entered the EU. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area. To get from Ceuta to the Spanish mainland independently, one needs either EU citizenship, a valid entry permit such as a valid visa, or a successfully completed asylum process. Spain and Morocco announced as early as Thursday that they would return all arrivals to Morocco. Returns began on Friday, and almost all refugees are already back in Morocco.
            #Ceuta #Spain #immigration #refugees #politics

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            #8

            @grassrootsforeurope Another stirring of the pot for racists and authoritarians to signal and find each other better.

            It’s not about facts. It’s about who’s on what side and who can you trust not to tell on you when you break some bones.

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            • nichni@mastodonapp.ukN nichni@mastodonapp.uk

              @grassrootsforeurope Makes me wonder, if Gibraltar actually (almost perfectly mirroring Ceuta) is in Europe, as it belongs to the U.K. ??

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              #9

              As of two weeks ago, transit between Gibraltar and Spain has been free and while Gibraltar is technically not Schengen area, the Schengen checks are managed by Spain and EU Frontex at the port and airport. There are also no more customs on the EU border for goods, which has caused Gibraltar to replace customs revenue with VAT.
              @nichni @grassrootsforeurope

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              • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

                The Facts:

                Ceuta is not Europe. Ceuta is an enclave of Spain in North Africa, a remnant of Spanish trading outposts and colonialism. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area; an uncontrolled border crossing to the European mainland is not possible.

                Worldwide, right-wingers and racists are speaking of an "invasion." The representation is being artificially exploited through panic-mongering. The reality is far more sober and objective. Anyone entering Ceuta—whether legally or illegally—has not officially entered the EU. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area. To get from Ceuta to the Spanish mainland independently, one needs either EU citizenship, a valid entry permit such as a valid visa, or a successfully completed asylum process. Spain and Morocco announced as early as Thursday that they would return all arrivals to Morocco. Returns began on Friday, and almost all refugees are already back in Morocco.
                #Ceuta #Spain #immigration #refugees #politics

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                #10

                @grassrootsforeurope

                at this rate, Britain will be asking for Tangiers back.

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                • osma@mas.toO osma@mas.to

                  As of two weeks ago, transit between Gibraltar and Spain has been free and while Gibraltar is technically not Schengen area, the Schengen checks are managed by Spain and EU Frontex at the port and airport. There are also no more customs on the EU border for goods, which has caused Gibraltar to replace customs revenue with VAT.
                  @nichni @grassrootsforeurope

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                  #11

                  @osma @grassrootsforeurope I expected it to be complicated. So thanks for clarification and update.

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                  • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

                    The Facts:

                    Ceuta is not Europe. Ceuta is an enclave of Spain in North Africa, a remnant of Spanish trading outposts and colonialism. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area; an uncontrolled border crossing to the European mainland is not possible.

                    Worldwide, right-wingers and racists are speaking of an "invasion." The representation is being artificially exploited through panic-mongering. The reality is far more sober and objective. Anyone entering Ceuta—whether legally or illegally—has not officially entered the EU. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area. To get from Ceuta to the Spanish mainland independently, one needs either EU citizenship, a valid entry permit such as a valid visa, or a successfully completed asylum process. Spain and Morocco announced as early as Thursday that they would return all arrivals to Morocco. Returns began on Friday, and almost all refugees are already back in Morocco.
                    #Ceuta #Spain #immigration #refugees #politics

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                    #12

                    @grassrootsforeurope

                    OK … so did all the people that “invaded” Ceuta (to use the loaded term) not understand that it was *not* the EU the way mainland Spain would be? Were they trying to, instead, “reclaim” the territory or something?

                    There are so many of these oddities over there … looking at you, Channel Islands.

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                    • grassrootsforeurope@mas.toG grassrootsforeurope@mas.to

                      The Facts:

                      Ceuta is not Europe. Ceuta is an enclave of Spain in North Africa, a remnant of Spanish trading outposts and colonialism. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area; an uncontrolled border crossing to the European mainland is not possible.

                      Worldwide, right-wingers and racists are speaking of an "invasion." The representation is being artificially exploited through panic-mongering. The reality is far more sober and objective. Anyone entering Ceuta—whether legally or illegally—has not officially entered the EU. Ceuta does not belong to the Schengen Area. To get from Ceuta to the Spanish mainland independently, one needs either EU citizenship, a valid entry permit such as a valid visa, or a successfully completed asylum process. Spain and Morocco announced as early as Thursday that they would return all arrivals to Morocco. Returns began on Friday, and almost all refugees are already back in Morocco.
                      #Ceuta #Spain #immigration #refugees #politics

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                      #13

                      @grassrootsforeurope

                      Helping refugees needs to be a world wide goal. We need to stop fighting immigration and encourage all people to be able to live where they can thrive. I'm so sick of people being treated like trash.

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                      • ve2uwy@mastodon.radioV ve2uwy@mastodon.radio

                        @grassrootsforeurope

                        OK … so did all the people that “invaded” Ceuta (to use the loaded term) not understand that it was *not* the EU the way mainland Spain would be? Were they trying to, instead, “reclaim” the territory or something?

                        There are so many of these oddities over there … looking at you, Channel Islands.

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                        #14

                        @VE2UWY @grassrootsforeurope They'd have to be Portuguese to try to "reclaim" the territory.

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                        • darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD darwinwoodka@mastodon.social

                          @grassrootsforeurope

                          Helping refugees needs to be a world wide goal. We need to stop fighting immigration and encourage all people to be able to live where they can thrive. I'm so sick of people being treated like trash.

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                          #15

                          @darwinwoodka @grassrootsforeurope I support legal pathways to migration and fully support the Spanish government's regularisation decree (which does not and would not apply here, it was for immigrants who had already been residing and working in Spain up to a cutoff date). Genuinely do not understand this type of thinking though. What number of young unemployed men do you think an average European country can successfully employ and integrate without shutting them off in poverty ghettos?

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                          • mnemosinee@mastodon.socialM mnemosinee@mastodon.social

                            @darwinwoodka @grassrootsforeurope I support legal pathways to migration and fully support the Spanish government's regularisation decree (which does not and would not apply here, it was for immigrants who had already been residing and working in Spain up to a cutoff date). Genuinely do not understand this type of thinking though. What number of young unemployed men do you think an average European country can successfully employ and integrate without shutting them off in poverty ghettos?

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                            #16

                            @Mnemosinee @grassrootsforeurope

                            What number of young men starving to death with no future in refugee camps is acceptable to you?

                            Frankly I don't understand your response. Colonialism created these problems but refuses to solve them.

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                            • darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD darwinwoodka@mastodon.social

                              @Mnemosinee @grassrootsforeurope

                              What number of young men starving to death with no future in refugee camps is acceptable to you?

                              Frankly I don't understand your response. Colonialism created these problems but refuses to solve them.

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                              #17

                              @darwinwoodka @grassrootsforeurope None of these people came from camps. They came from vans driven and escorted by Moroccan state authorities, it's not the first time they've done it either (see: 2021). I know the fashionable orientalist view is that Mohammed VI and Moroccan elites have zero agency because colonialism, it's just that it gets reaaaallly complicated with Morocco seeing how the last time they did it was over THEIR colonialism of W Sahara.

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