KDE Conf just wants to *talk* about going full A slop desktop
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde bro it's out there with your name on it, it's not "deceitful" to notice the URL and logos.
if you go straight to claiming commenting about the contents of your own damn website - and you're responding literally to me *linking* it - is "deceitful", a hit dog is hollering.
instead, please describe the process by which such an AI slop proposal - clearly chatbot spam - even gets this far.
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@davidgerard @bms @zzt Ugh... What about GNOME (which I use)? I'm having a very cursory look at recently updated repos and I'm not seeing much slop. Evolution seems to be slopping, but I don't use it so whatever. I also see individual commits from months ago that seem more like experiments with the slop machine than a firm commitment. Any ideas?
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde @davidgerard > This talk is an invitation — from peple with a long arc inside this community — to take a serious swing at the question the 2003 study posed and never quite resolved: what would it take for KDE to be the desktop people actively choose, not just the one some of us settle for? Attendees will leave with: a concrete proposal (KaDAi) to react to or tear apart, a clear set of asks the project could direct at Plasma maintainers, and the framing for a sovereignty conversation that KDE is uniquely positioned to lead.
if these people aren’t involved in KDE anymore, having something like this in the description of a talk given during an official KDE event is what’s ridiculous and deceitful
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@proinsias
That's not it. At this point, every major project related to Linux that still has some funding and is not some basement hobby of someone is basically corporate owned and operated. The corporate mandate is to maximize productivity and remove as many expensive devs as possible. So you get this everywhere. Also see the major drive to remove all GNU code from some heavy-weight distros and replace it with Claude rewrites in Rust.
@davidgerard@yo8rzz @davidgerard People to trying reduce man hours and outsource work not exactly a novel idea in the world of computers.
I'm happy I can chill on runit, xorg, window managers, some duct tape and lts systems for the next few years to watch the show unfold as America realize their copyright and copyleft systems are a bit silly.
As I can summon up custom window managers using current tooling and see others summoning up custom display servers and everything else one can imagine the future seems bright to me and KDE seems even more irrelevant to this than it has been for decades.
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@reiddragon @vatine @bms @davidgerard @jwz https://github.com/doomemacs/core#llm-policy ugggh that’s new
@zzt @vatine @bms @davidgerard @jwz is it new? I remember seeing claude stuff in the doomemacs repo back in March -
Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde Then why even give them the room to speak and push the slop forth, aside from having people come there to boo at and ridicule them for 40 minutes? The correct approach is to let them go speak somewhere else, we don't need to be sitting at the same table with promoters of fash tech. Attached, a good idea, from your own website. @davidgerard
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@kde bro it's out there with your name on it, it's not "deceitful" to notice the URL and logos.
if you go straight to claiming commenting about the contents of your own damn website - and you're responding literally to me *linking* it - is "deceitful", a hit dog is hollering.
instead, please describe the process by which such an AI slop proposal - clearly chatbot spam - even gets this far.
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@davidgerard@circumstances.run @kde@floss.social lmao I switched to KDE when windows started doing ai bullshit. Hope I don't have to switch again. Project maintainers take note! Don't let the fuckers in the door, and if you already have, give em the boot. They're gonna ruin a good project
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde this is what manufactured consent looks like. It looks pretty legit when the event details and register button is on conf.kde.org.
You're going to find this implication a lot less ridiculous as omarchy continues to be a problem.
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@kde @davidgerard > This talk is an invitation — from peple with a long arc inside this community — to take a serious swing at the question the 2003 study posed and never quite resolved: what would it take for KDE to be the desktop people actively choose, not just the one some of us settle for? Attendees will leave with: a concrete proposal (KaDAi) to react to or tear apart, a clear set of asks the project could direct at Plasma maintainers, and the framing for a sovereignty conversation that KDE is uniquely positioned to lead.
if these people aren’t involved in KDE anymore, having something like this in the description of a talk given during an official KDE event is what’s ridiculous and deceitful
@kde @davidgerard listen KDE, I’ve done a couple of conferences so let me give you some advice
if you really want to have this talk on an unpopular subject associated with your conference (you shouldn’t), here’s a response you could give:
“thank you david for bringing this talk to our attention! we’ve added a disclaimer to the program that this doesn’t represent the views of the KDE project, and we’ve had a conversation with the people giving the talk.”
see how that’s more constructive than accusing someone of deceit for quoting your own website?
but I wouldn’t recommend allowing this talk at all, as its stated goal is to subvert the current AI policy of the KDE project, and you absolutely don’t need to have the project’s name on that
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@lumi @davidgerard all the references and social links are linkedin links lol
@hypha @davidgerard i still can't decide whether discord or linkedin is the worst
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@davidgerard @bms @zzt @techokami is contributing to CDE/Motif and seems to be hell-bent on keeping it slop-free so enjoy that lol
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde needlessly aggressive response that raises way more questions than it answers
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde I've been a Plasma user since before it was Plasma, and a regular donator to the project. If slop starts getting accepted into the codebase, I'm out.
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
@kde @davidgerard if the implication is so ridiculous then please don't let these slop brained linkedin ghouls establish any kind of foothold in your spaces, not even as 'a random talk in Akademy', because if you let these people preach their bs, if you give them a platform, they will recruit enough disciples from your community to poison and ruin everything you do, until that shit is "inevitable". because that's the playbook, we've seen it happen too many times already
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@kde @davidgerard > This talk is an invitation — from peple with a long arc inside this community — to take a serious swing at the question the 2003 study posed and never quite resolved: what would it take for KDE to be the desktop people actively choose, not just the one some of us settle for? Attendees will leave with: a concrete proposal (KaDAi) to react to or tear apart, a clear set of asks the project could direct at Plasma maintainers, and the framing for a sovereignty conversation that KDE is uniquely positioned to lead.
if these people aren’t involved in KDE anymore, having something like this in the description of a talk given during an official KDE event is what’s ridiculous and deceitful
@zzt @kde @davidgerard what I don’t understand about that statement, is people DO actively choose KDE because it is the best DE for many people. Forcing AI into it would mean an exodus of those same people and the project would die.
I’ve no idea why KDE would even entertain such nonsense at their own *official* conference, and it actively harms the project and brand.
Sometimes there aren’t two sides to an issue, this is one of those times.
If they want software they can talk to and befriend, in lieu of people, sure, no judgement. Go make it.
Maybe though, the desktop environment isn’t the platform for it… that’s kind of a major pivot. And KDE is associated with it. After all they must have accepted the RFP and thought “yeah, great idea, crack on”.
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@zzt @kde @davidgerard what I don’t understand about that statement, is people DO actively choose KDE because it is the best DE for many people. Forcing AI into it would mean an exodus of those same people and the project would die.
I’ve no idea why KDE would even entertain such nonsense at their own *official* conference, and it actively harms the project and brand.
Sometimes there aren’t two sides to an issue, this is one of those times.
If they want software they can talk to and befriend, in lieu of people, sure, no judgement. Go make it.
Maybe though, the desktop environment isn’t the platform for it… that’s kind of a major pivot. And KDE is associated with it. After all they must have accepted the RFP and thought “yeah, great idea, crack on”.
@ADHDruid @kde @davidgerard bbbbut a study from 23 years ago might have said people aren’t “actively choosing” KDE, whatever the fuck that means
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@kde bro it's out there with your name on it, it's not "deceitful" to notice the URL and logos.
if you go straight to claiming commenting about the contents of your own damn website - and you're responding literally to me *linking* it - is "deceitful", a hit dog is hollering.
instead, please describe the process by which such an AI slop proposal - clearly chatbot spam - even gets this far.
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@davidgerard @kde That's....such a suspiciously defensive reply, like you didn't even imply that, you just linked the thing. What are they hiding? I was thinking about switching to KDE but this response has really shaken me.
(also I can't respond to KDE directly because our instances don't federate for some reason)
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Please note that a random talk in Akademy does not in any way mean an endorsement from the community. Neither speaker have contributed to the project in many, many years, and it is ridiculous and even deceitful to imply that this is in any way an official strategy that KDE is going to pursue.
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@ADHDruid @kde @davidgerard bbbbut a study from 23 years ago might have said people aren’t “actively choosing” KDE, whatever the fuck that means
@zzt @kde @davidgerard why would they? GNOME hadn’t been ruined yet 🤭
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@jztusk @kde @davidgerard I just want clean drinking water for me and my family.
