Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
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@terminaltilt @valpackett @old_angry_queer @grote
Am I missing a new Android feature, can one sign into the device with biometrics after rebooting?
@barefootstache @terminaltilt @old_angry_queer @grote no, of course not. they also usually "expire" every once in a while and you have to enter the password if you've only been using biometrics for a couple days
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote or device PIN, thankfully; if it required biometrics I’d go up in anger
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@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote
you can just flash again
Look that is comforting to someone who knows they can flash their phone. For someone who is doing it for the first time with exactly one device, that's essentially saying "If you find you do not have what it takes to do this, you can just do the thing you found you could not do to fix the mess you made!"
That is NOT going to be comforting to those who need that comfort.
@Epic_Null @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote
The techfolks of the "they should just be able to do this!" variety basically cannot understand certain realities. -
@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Unfortunately, you cannot do complete backups of android devices if you are not rooted. You may have a phone in use currently, which you didn't have the foresight to bootloader unlock and root when you initially got it, and thus installing any custom ROM is not very interesting as you would loose a large part of your data. The part of the data that you would lose is unknown as app/phone backups are opaque, and might also result in losing access to some messaging applications if not done carefully. In the best case, you would have a second phone from which to transfer data from, as a reference (and for messaging apps that can transfer accounts between devices).
At least, that's how I see it. The process itself is easy, but the steps before and after are much more scary.In all, I do agree with your initial premise that LineageOS and other custom ROMs will become more popular for those that have android headsets that have unlockable bootloaders and have the initial knowhow.
We do seriously need more alternatives to Android and iOS, such as postmarketOS, as the current state of things is getting very dire. Unfortunately, the hardware itself is not very standardised and manufacturers want to keep control to squeeze a few more cents from each device…@confusomu @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote I JUST WANT A GOD-DAMNED ROTARY PHONE
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@Epic_Null @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote
The techfolks of the "they should just be able to do this!" variety basically cannot understand certain realities.@geonz @Epic_Null @FifiSch @grote It's easy enough to add insults, yeah, but the thing I'm not understanding is why people can't just follow a set of instructions that say "tap here, then there, connect the cable, copy and paste this text, done."
In fact, the fear there doesn't even make sense to me. Where do people even get the idea that they're so likely to brick? I won't say bricks never ever happened, but they really aren't that common. It's VERY hard to brick it so bad it can't be fixed just by redoing the process and following the instructions instead of typing something different or yanking out the cable or whatever. Even if you get the wrong image you can just flash the correct one after. It won't hard brick...
I don't even know how you could hard brick most...
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@Epic_Null @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote
The techfolks of the "they should just be able to do this!" variety basically cannot understand certain realities.@geonz @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Yeah, that's one of the reasons I stopped replying.
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Good idea but also I really love your profile picture.
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@geonz @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Yeah, that's one of the reasons I stopped replying.
@Epic_Null @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote (It reminds me of organized people who are "you're just not trying!" )
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with thisYeah, yeah . . . Facebook said META would rule too.
Meanwhile, Lenovo, a major player, says 'Nuh-Uh" to Legacy defaults for Microsoft— with detailed performance reasons.
Ubuntu is their default OS, now . . .
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@grote please don't call installing software sideloading... We should refuse to use that term.
@leanderlindahl @grote
Noted.I refuse to use the prefix meta- for Facebook.
Next generation [of people] will think ''metadata'' refers to data of Facebook. -
Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this -
Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote Yes and enabling the developer options in the first place is a non trivial thing either. (I mean for us that's second nature, but for regular users that's yet another step they have to learn how to do.)
Edit: The mic in that video looks like a fucking prop. No way the sound is actually recorded on that thing
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They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:
@grote ok, what's freaking funny is this act is required UPON TURNING ON DEVELOPER MODE. Imagine if you need to do this every time you need to turn off developer mode because some banking apps check for developer mode. THIS IS HORRIBLE.
If you want to limit app installation, don't limit developer mode. Adb is borderline not ok but still, something else. Maybe this is only required if you need to enable app install from untrusted sources apk.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote@chaos.social on Grapheneos you've to do the following
• Nothing
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@grote please don't call installing software sideloading... We should refuse to use that term.
The only kind of side loading i know about
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote For developers, limited number of devices? Cool right? Also when can i turn of developers options? After 24 hours? What if google going to do something during that 24 hours like they going to install some app that going to monitor the apps we install or some walware app that activates after we install apps from other source so we will think its coz of that app.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote@chaos.social Stop using corporate language; this isn't a sideload, it's an installation. Just because it's done outside of Google Play Store doesn't make it any less of an installation. That's how they get to us - by taking away our speech.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote "Advanced flow", meaning advanced cash flow into Google's greasy, greedy pockets.
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They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:
@grote "For power users, we think this is a fair trade-off." Now go and ask the power users.
