Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

[jdebp@mastodon.me.uk]

@Floppy

It does sometimes seem like this, doesn't it?

However: One of the several real world cases that have cropped up over the years with that picture has been ntpd, and in fairness I don't think that the world knew what David L. Mills's politics were at all, or knows now.

There are a lot of quiet people like that. We've no idea what Herbert Xu, maintainer of the shell (dash) that runs much in Debian and Ubuntu, believes politically, for example.

#ntp #dash

[citadel9@cyberplace.social]

@JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

[fluidlogic@oldbytes.space]

@JdeBP @Floppy what's worse, a fascist or a cryptofascist?

[andydearden@mastodon.green]

@citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy we are all involved in politics. It's just that some people put time and energy into thinking about how to be involved in politics.

[fluidlogic@oldbytes.space]

@citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy depends what you mean by 'politics'; all your actions are political. Perhaps you already act on that idea via the (dubious) concept of 'voting with your wallet'.

[hjvt@hachyderm.io]

@citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
Everyone is involved in politics by virtue of living in a society.

[xchaos@f.cz]

@Floppy ok, so you have certain percentage of fascist-made-but-still-free-code, which you can fork.

But with corporate infrastructure, fsscists can take over everything and you have no longer right to fork.

As long as it is free and open source, it is just that you are perphaps using something made by someone who turned out to be asshole later, but it works and will work. With true fascists, you are inside concentration camp and has to subdue to whatever the camp fuhrer tells you to do.

However you may dislike this, fascism is a system: system of hierarchy, control and power. Something like "standalone fascist" is nonsense. Someone with stupid behaviour and ideas, if not organized, is just asshole, not "fascist".

Fascism is working, deadly social machinery - not individual psychiv disorder.

[janvenetor@mastodontti.fi]

@kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all

Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.

It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...

I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...

https://goodauthority.org/news/this-new-book-explains-why-so-many-islamist-extremists-have-studied-engineering/

#politics

[christo_459@mastodon.me.uk]

@AndyDearden @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
Life is political

[unionwhore@ni.hil.ist]

@Floppy Maybe we shouldn't use projects that are led

[flesh@transfem.social]

@citadel9@cyberplace.social @JdeBP@mastodon.me.uk @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I mean, everyone developing software is involved in politics by default.

[decapitae@mastodon.social]

@Floppy yeah, review thier code closely -

[ditol@freiburg.social]

@Floppy
Did the xz utils guy turn out to be fascist? Did I miss something? If not, then sorry, but that one random person in Nebraska still remains among all the assholes building upon his/her work to enslave all of us.

[gavinisdie@masto.ai]

@vvilhelmus @Floppy what

[fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net]

@janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.

[toriver@mas.to]

@hjvt @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy … despite some selfish politician back in the day saying there is no such thing as society.

[janvenetor@mastodontti.fi]

@fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy see the linked book, skills do not factor in it per the research.

"We find that engineers are no more likely than other graduates to cover technical roles, such as bomb making [...] What engineers learn at university is unlikely to make them more practically proficient at bomb making than former military or car mechanics. [...] many non-Islamist extremist groups have been skillful at bomb making without engineers in their ranks."

#politics

[hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com]

@citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy Everybody is involved in politics in the first place. It mostly boils down to which side of the coin you're falling on. Some people delude themselves thinking they can stand on the side of the coin.

[_r@donotsta.re]

@Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I feel like this needlessly inflates how many fascists there actually are. every time someone is revealed to be a fascist, it’s a whole news story - because it’s relatively rare.

But because you hear about every fascist who happens to maintain or lead something, they seems a lot more than the thousands of people who aren’t fascist, who are just quietly maintaining something without fanfare or big red alerts.

[gustavommg@mastodon.social]

@Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.