Welcome to the #LongestTrainEU #CrossBorderRail record breaking thread!
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@gufo Right. That's what's hard to estimate!
@jon Either way, it's the only power failure I can find documented, so it's likely this one — and with a long time to recovery. You may need to consider changing your rules, which opens the door for someone else to make a "clean" run (without emergency replacement traffic).
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@jon Either way, it's the only power failure I can find documented, so it's likely this one — and with a long time to recovery. You may need to consider changing your rules, which opens the door for someone else to make a "clean" run (without emergency replacement traffic).
@jon I don't envy that decision
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@nafmo @sebwilken @tml @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm but the problem is between Boden and Murjek: https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/meddelanden/?Counties=25&Filtertype=trainMessage The question then is WHERE, and if this impacts the small part of the track exiting Boden that the line to Haparanda takes?
@jon @nafmo @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm Well, I guess if Trafikverket says they need the whole line Boden–Murjek for urgent maintenance, Norrtåg can not say "but we only need to use it for a couple of kilometres a couple of times per day pretty please!?" Ordnung muss sein! Safety First!
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So I just called Norrtåg
There is a power line down somewhere. If it is fixed in time, 7185 will be a train. If it is NOT fixed in time it will be a bus...
So how bad is this power line failure?
Trains *are* running in Boden
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure -
@jon @nafmo @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm Well, I guess if Trafikverket says they need the whole line Boden–Murjek for urgent maintenance, Norrtåg can not say "but we only need to use it for a couple of kilometres a couple of times per day pretty please!?" Ordnung muss sein! Safety First!
@tml @jon @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm Maybe the trains they need to run there are stuck on the wrong branch line?
Interestingly, Haparanda is not listed as an impacted station on Trafikverket's page, so it didn't really make sense
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@tml @jon @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm Maybe the trains they need to run there are stuck on the wrong branch line?
Interestingly, Haparanda is not listed as an impacted station on Trafikverket's page, so it didn't really make sense
@tml @jon @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm If I look up Boden, the problem is listed there, with a prognosis of being fixed night to Wednesday...
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Welcome to the #LongestTrainEU #CrossBorderRail record breaking thread!
This train journey starts in Kemijärvi
and ends in Lagos 
18 trains, 100 hours 9 minutes, 4008km as the crow flies, 6281 route-km
The background to this project is here:
https://longestjourney.crossborderrail.eu/And the live tracking throughout is here:
https://longestjourneylive.crossborderrail.eu/I did do Oulu (finland) to Calpe (spain) this summer with bus, train and ship in a three days journey. Bus mostly so I could create a tighter schedule and avoid busy Barcelona.
I see you ran already into some problems.
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Can some Finn please explain this road sign seen in Kemijärvi earlier?
Is it "you will only hit elk on the roads in half of Finland"? Is there some elk wall across the middle of the country?
EDIT: OK, it's a reindeer herding area
But I have questions!
The antlers on that sign are wrong.
And given I was a LONG way into the area, why do I need the map?
@jon About the reindeer herding area: they are semi-domesticated. Meaning they have a owner but roam freely. They aren't afraid of humans like wild animals and sometimes they hang around on roads. This is a risk because they won't flee when disturbed so if you go by car you have to stop and wait for them to move out of your way and you're not allowed to scare them off the road.
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@tml @jon @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm Maybe the trains they need to run there are stuck on the wrong branch line?
Interestingly, Haparanda is not listed as an impacted station on Trafikverket's page, so it didn't really make sense
@nafmo @tml @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm No, Haparanda - Luleå is one train going back and forth. So ought to be OK.
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Trains *are* running in Boden
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure@jon At least the southbound part of Boden C seems operational, yes.
94 is the Stockholm-Luleå sleeper.
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@jon There’s a SJ train schedules to leave just about now. But it arrived and departs from/to the south. So might not be affected depending on how the power sections are arranged.
@jon It did depart, but I don’t think that tells us anything.
I found a cab view video out of Boden and there’s a power section sign just north before Haparandabanan branches off. This and the fact that Trafikverket only has this one disruption listed which is matching the electrical fault. I would think it’s the correct one.
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Trains *are* running in Boden
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departureAnd if you look at the data for Boden the "Elfel" (electric fault) is only towards Kiruna
I reckon 7185 *could* run, if Norrtåg wants it to. Let's see if they want it to run!
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure
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@jon It did depart, but I don’t think that tells us anything.
I found a cab view video out of Boden and there’s a power section sign just north before Haparandabanan branches off. This and the fact that Trafikverket only has this one disruption listed which is matching the electrical fault. I would think it’s the correct one.
@stefanlindbohm But interestingly there is nothing listed for Haparanda trains that Elfel is the problem.
It is *possible* that they just cancelled the Haparanda one anyway, as they often do, and that the infra would allow it to run.
Anyway I am waiting to see if 7185 does run as a train...
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And if you look at the data for Boden the "Elfel" (electric fault) is only towards Kiruna
I reckon 7185 *could* run, if Norrtåg wants it to. Let's see if they want it to run!
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure
@jon Could also be that Trafikverket forgot to mention the Haparanda line. Sounds unlikely, but time will tell.
7185 does run on the iron ore line for a bit though!
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@jon Could also be that Trafikverket forgot to mention the Haparanda line. Sounds unlikely, but time will tell.
7185 does run on the iron ore line for a bit though!
@gufo Right, exactly. That's what is so hard to estimate. If someone could specify more precisely WHERE the problem is that would help a lot!
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@stefanlindbohm But interestingly there is nothing listed for Haparanda trains that Elfel is the problem.
It is *possible* that they just cancelled the Haparanda one anyway, as they often do, and that the infra would allow it to run.
Anyway I am waiting to see if 7185 does run as a train...
@jon I’d also think it’s possible that the disruption code is added based in the line the train is marked as running on, but that the power section just slightly extends into the junction. Then maybe the Haparanda trains don’t automatically get the code.
Someone in an operations centre will be needed indeed
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And why there is a 6 finger hand on the train door, thanks to @saruwine - 2006 article https://yle.fi/aihe/a/20-24799
@jon @saruwine Count Rugen? #theprincessbride
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@jon Option 2! It‘s a record attempt after all, so give us some thrill
@jon @sebwilken +1
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@jon Trafikverket estimates that it will take all day to fix. Could of course be just a pessimistic estimate, but it doesn't sound promising for 7185.
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@jon I’d also think it’s possible that the disruption code is added based in the line the train is marked as running on, but that the power section just slightly extends into the junction. Then maybe the Haparanda trains don’t automatically get the code.
Someone in an operations centre will be needed indeed
@jon So I found a map of exactly where the power sections split, and the section that starts just north of Boden extends exactly to Murjek. So it’s exactly one power section that is down and it does include the junction to Haparandabanan.
The split to the first power section to Haparandabanan is right after the junction in that direction. So you’re missing 4,8 km of power to get any trains in your direction.
