> We are completely overwhelmed, of course.
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@zzt do you remember when that was a new thing and we literally couldn't believe it could be that bad?
and now we just can't believe it's still that bad.
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@daemonspudguy @zzt I mean, also isn’t the idea of a high-quality kernel that supports older hardware (I know they just dropped like first-gen Pentiums and there was some furor over it) all free of charge kind of a social good thing if not social “justice”?
@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt this is why netbsd is hero coded
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@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt this is why netbsd is hero coded
@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt i have no clue how well gentoo hurd will end up working but i'm hopeful
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do you think any of the guys telling me I’m engaging in conspiratorial thought or whatever for pointing out who’s paying torvalds to do this shit will feel anything at all when they read “thank you Meta” in this bizarre fucking post? nah can’t be anything, the Linux Foundation doesn’t own the kernel somehow even though they own the guy who owns the kernel
@zzt This is just the natural outcome.
The real red flags where when IBM (that is working into AI from more than a decade) buyed Red Hat and when they pushed madly a broken systemD as the usual "it's the FuTuRe" in the same guise they are pushing Wayland... that isn't really ready yet either for a lot of cases.
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@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt i have no clue how well gentoo hurd will end up working but i'm hopeful
@zzt@mas.to @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
God I hope it somehow sparks a revival in the Hurd. Purely because microkernels are just better and I selfishly want my preferred technology to be proven in the desktop. /hj
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@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt this is why netbsd is hero coded
@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt it's also like the only OS that has rejected LLMs and i think there's a reason for that
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@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt it's also like the only OS that has rejected LLMs and i think there's a reason for that
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
We stan NetBSD here.
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@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt i have no clue how well gentoo hurd will end up working but i'm hopeful
@hipsterelectron @daemonspudguy @zzt I’m sure it’s got some Hurd-les in front of it :rimshot:
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@hipsterelectron @daemonspudguy @zzt neat!
This does give me pause: “amd64 support exists in Gentoo but it is less stable so far than x86.”
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@hipsterelectron @daemonspudguy @zzt neat!
This does give me pause: “amd64 support exists in Gentoo but it is less stable so far than x86.”
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hurd@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt i don't know how to evaluate that without further context but "so far" indicates it is a subject of active research
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thank you Meta, I proclaimed, filling the Linux kernel with a quote unquote overwhelming amount of fucking slop
@zzt thank you meta, the company so visionary it renamed itself after a market already on the way out, you have a great take on what decisions won't look terrible in the near future
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@zzt the people of 2001 had been violently disabused of this notion before it could form by the infliction of Windows ME and its garbage-ass kernel.
@zzt yes, I am still sore about someone who installed Windows ME on my Pentium 3.
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thank you Meta, I proclaimed, filling the Linux kernel with a quote unquote overwhelming amount of fucking slop
@zzt Thank you Meta. Since you've started spraying anorgasmia chemtrails across the planet, I'm really glad to have your ananorgasmia inhalers. My sex life has never been so not quite almost what it was before
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@lykso @c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt oooooo thanks!
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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
HyperbolaBSD is also from the same cranks who decided that running an obsolete and thoroughly exploitable kernel was a good idea so quite frankly I think you'd be a fucking fool to ever trust it, or anything from that same group of people.
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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
HyperbolaBSD is also from the same cranks who decided that running an obsolete and thoroughly exploitable kernel was a good idea so quite frankly I think you'd be a fucking fool to ever trust it, or anything from that same group of people.
@daemonspudguy @zzt @lykso @c0dec0dec0de is there more information about this anywhere?
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@daemonspudguy @zzt @lykso @c0dec0dec0de is there more information about this anywhere?
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
The kernel it's using is Linux-libre (already a bad sign anyways because that kernel can't update microcode at all) version 5.10, which is absolutely ancient.
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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
The kernel it's using is Linux-libre (already a bad sign anyways because that kernel can't update microcode at all) version 5.10, which is absolutely ancient.
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
I would try to find a specific source about their stance itself but their website is utterly impenetrable because it's all philosophical wankery that I can't make sense of because my eyes physically can't read it. The kernel version, though, is just right on the package list. Last updated August 2025.
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@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
I would try to find a specific source about their stance itself but their website is utterly impenetrable because it's all philosophical wankery that I can't make sense of because my eyes physically can't read it. The kernel version, though, is just right on the package list. Last updated August 2025.
@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io
Oh my god I found one. It doesn't mention the kernel specifically but the fact that the kernel is clearly included in it makes it clear that that's their position.
https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:reject_machinelearning#outcome_and_decisions_for_hyperbola
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thank you Meta, I proclaimed, filling the Linux kernel with a quote unquote overwhelming amount of fucking slop
@zzt
Identity scans for everything on the internet. Thank you Meta!
