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  • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

    @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth yeah, but isnt this conversation operating under the assumption they could, yknow, resist the pressure, and that that is the right thing to do

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    #58

    @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth i dont disagree that its the right or better thing to do, and support them if they did do that and such but i also understand if they dont want to put themselves at risk, shit is fucking hard,

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    • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

      @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth i dont disagree that its the right or better thing to do, and support them if they did do that and such but i also understand if they dont want to put themselves at risk, shit is fucking hard,

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      #59

      @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

      granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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      • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

        @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

        granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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        #60

        @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth id say thats the basis of all the power structures, they all expect you not to actually resist, making it easy to "deal to" the few who do resist, bonus points if you can equate "resisting the government" with "bad immoral action" or whatever

        uh.. anyway, the threat is real regardless so.,,

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        • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

          @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

          granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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          #61

          @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth anyway try being pissed off at the fascist in this case instead :3

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          • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

            20,000 mail accounts.
            20,000 blogs.
            5,000 mailing lists.
            1,500 websites.

            In Europe.

            Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

            Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

            It is astonishingly quiet.

            ⁨#Autistici⁩

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            #62

            @anneroth
            Dutch newspaper @nrc_nl had a couple of stories on it, written by @Marloezovic . But yeah, it's the exception.
            @cavallette

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            • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

              20,000 mail accounts.
              20,000 blogs.
              5,000 mailing lists.
              1,500 websites.

              In Europe.

              Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

              Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

              It is astonishingly quiet.

              ⁨#Autistici⁩

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              #63

              @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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              • djsumdog@djsumdog.comD djsumdog@djsumdog.com
                What happened? I don't see any articles on this. Did they just lose funding (and if so, why where they funded by the US if they were in the EU anyway?) or did something else happen? You have an article?
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                #64

                @djsumdog @cavallette @anneroth I also struggled to find detailed reporting but it seems they may have been removed from top level DNS?

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                • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                  20,000 mail accounts.
                  20,000 blogs.
                  5,000 mailing lists.
                  1,500 websites.

                  In Europe.

                  Run by volunteers of @cavallette, perfectly legal, and decidedly antifascist, feminist, queer.

                  Destroyed and shut down by Trump's administration, extra legally.

                  It is astonishingly quiet.

                  ⁨#Autistici⁩

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                  #65

                  @anneroth @cavallette Tell me more.

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                  • marloezovic@mastodon.nlM marloezovic@mastodon.nl

                    @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                    #66

                    @Marloezovic Thanks! I'm afraid my Dutch won't be quite good enough 🙂 (and the website does ask for a subscriber login). But great you're following up!

                    @cavallette

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                    • anneroth@systemli.socialA anneroth@systemli.social

                      @Marloezovic Thanks! I'm afraid my Dutch won't be quite good enough 🙂 (and the website does ask for a subscriber login). But great you're following up!

                      @cavallette

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                      #67

                      @anneroth @cavallette I wasn't aware of the login, but it's also on all other platforms

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                      • marloezovic@mastodon.nlM marloezovic@mastodon.nl

                        @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                        #68

                        @Marloezovic @anneroth @cavallette Ik zou het graag willen luisteren maar op de NRC moet je wel een abonnement hebben.

                        Maar het blijkt wel hier toegangelijk te zijn. Al met een minute reklames in het begin van de podcast.

                        https://www.radio-nederland.nl/podcasts/nrc-vandaag

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                        • reinouts@mastodon.greenR reinouts@mastodon.green

                          @anneroth
                          Dutch newspaper @nrc_nl had a couple of stories on it, written by @Marloezovic . But yeah, it's the exception.
                          @cavallette

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                          #69

                          @reinouts @anneroth @nrc_nl @Marloezovic @cavallette

                          Reuters have an article about it.

                          https://www.reuters.com/technology/italian-tech-collective-shut-down-after-us-terrorist-designation-2026-09-07/

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                          • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                            @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette Or get your money out of American banks, stop doing business with American companies, elect governments that refuse to take orders from American autocrats. The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no.

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                            #70

                            @su_liam @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette How do you get your money out of an American bank when you do not know that you are banking with an American bank?

                            Or how do you know that your payment systems will be blocked as they, at some point travel through US payment services space?

                            Your banking app that relies on Android verification services has stopped working as your Google account has been cancelled?

                            Want to take some cash out of a cash machine? With a VISA or Mastercard card?

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                            • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                              @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette Or get your money out of American banks, stop doing business with American companies, elect governments that refuse to take orders from American autocrats. The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no.

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                              @su_liam @barbra @david42 @anneroth @cavallette "The US is losing to a penny ante dictatorship in Iran,they can’t begin to cope with the rest of the world saying no."

                              But in the mean time they could pull the plugs on most European citizens' internet access and payment systems.

                              A continent unable to pay for any of the goods and services that they need on a daily basis.

                              NOT because they don't have the money but because the US has trashed the infrastructure.

                              Without firing a single missile.

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                              • marloezovic@mastodon.nlM marloezovic@mastodon.nl

                                @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                                #72

                                @Marloezovic
                                Net als in WO 2 heeft ook nu het verzet een eigen bank nodig
                                @anneroth @cavallette

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                                • marloezovic@mastodon.nlM marloezovic@mastodon.nl

                                  @anneroth @cavallette In Dutch, but no pay wall. This is a podcast we published today: Ik luister naar 'Zo bepalen de VS wie online mag bestaan – ook in Europa' (NRC Vandaag) in de NRC Audio app: https://audio.nrc.nl/episode/181338194?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrc.nl%2Fnieuws%2F2026%2F09%2F08%2Fzo-bepalen-de-vs-wie-online-mag-bestaan-ook-in-europa-a4936115

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                                  #73

                                  @Marloezovic @anneroth @cavallette Een goed te begrijpen overzicht van het problemen rond dat wij in het kader van internet toegang en diensten totaal avhankelijk van de VS zijn geworden.

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                                    @Marloezovic
                                    Net als in WO 2 heeft ook nu het verzet een eigen bank nodig
                                    @anneroth @cavallette

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                                    #74

                                    @anantagd @Marloezovic @anneroth @cavallette Niet alleen eigen banken moeten komen maar ook eigen betalingssystemen zijn nodig.

                                    Betalingssystemen dat onafhankelijk van smartphones zijn. Omdat deze mobieltjes draaien besturingssystemen die in de VS ontwikkeld zijn. Bij tech bedrijven die niet meer te vertrouwen zijn geworden.

                                    Ook omdat deze mobieltjes moeten bij Google of Apple accounts ingelogd zijn om te kunnen werken en om appen te kunnen downloaden en om oppdateringen te kunnen krijgen.

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                                    • hsza@social.tudbut.deH hsza@social.tudbut.de

                                      @Li @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth tis just one of the most easy ways to piss me off: giving fascists what they want without actually being forced to. people obeying in advance is the backbone of any fascist power structure. fascism would not be a thing without it

                                      granted we do not know what it was in this case because the blog post says borderline nothing

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                                      #75
                                      @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth @Li you didnt hear this from me but wouldnt it be funny if someone just started a movement that describes itself as antiamerican terrorists as a joke so if it gets actually declared as a terrorist organization it automatically rids the declarer of all credibility
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                                      • laru@pleroma.laru.dsrv.x7q.euL laru@pleroma.laru.dsrv.x7q.eu
                                        @hsza @cavallette @david42 @barbra @anneroth @Li you didnt hear this from me but wouldnt it be funny if someone just started a movement that describes itself as antiamerican terrorists as a joke so if it gets actually declared as a terrorist organization it automatically rids the declarer of all credibility
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                                        #76

                                        @laru @cavallette @david42 @hsza @barbra @anneroth yes and all you do is post edits of the american flag or something

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                                        • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                                          @laru @cavallette @david42 @hsza @barbra @anneroth yes and all you do is post edits of the american flag or something

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                                          #77
                                          @Li @cavallette @david42 @hsza @barbra @anneroth you can technically do anything as long as someone declaring you a terrorist organization automatically loses all their credibility
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