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There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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    #8

    @futurebird

    It's not really true that "the most tech" people have the harshest words for it. Most tech people, including the tech influencers, have no real idea how technology works and are variously enthused by AI.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

      Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

      The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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      #9

      @futurebird The only people I've personally met who have bought into LLM hype at face value are boomers... and I feel like it's related to that period in the 90s where some folks called the Internet a fad and nobody wants to look that foolish again.

      Altho I am starting to wonder if there will still be an Internet in a few decades.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

        Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

        The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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        #10

        @futurebird It really bugs me when someone I respect technically is a big AI fan.

        But "programming" AI is really a form of hacking. You're trying to persuade an LLM to produce the right output. And hacking is really addictive. It's way more fun than project plans, and groups of people working together, and QA. It's a solo effort where you feel like you have a lot of power.

        And I think that sucks in a lot of technical people.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

          Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

          The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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          #11

          @futurebird I think I played with AI when it first came out like it was a toy. I didn't understand about the environmental issues with data centers, or the fact that it's hoped-for profitability is based on its supposed ability to displace millions of white collar workers.

          So now I guess it's going to cause a massive economic meltdown and create deadly viruses the moment one gets access to a CRISPR machine. It's too bad it couldn't just be a harmless toy that never did real damage.

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          • richpuchalsky@mastodon.socialR richpuchalsky@mastodon.social

            @futurebird

            It's not really true that "the most tech" people have the harshest words for it. Most tech people, including the tech influencers, have no real idea how technology works and are variously enthused by AI.

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            #12

            @richpuchalsky @futurebird

            Hi, tech person here, 25+ year software career, LLMs are irredeemable garbage. HTH

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            • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

              @futurebird

              My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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              #13

              @rgulick @futurebird My kid is 16, and whenever he spots something ai-made his disgust is real.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                #14

                @futurebird

                They legislated corporations being agents, to allow crime in a corporation suit.

                I'm sure our legislators are being lobbied to do the same for LLMs. The lack of prosecution so far confirms this.

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                  Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                  The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                  #15

                  @futurebird
                  My 32 yo bro uses it as a toy. To make funny photos and make it say funny things about his friends. The photos are pretty hilarious tbh so i get the appeal of playing, but i know too much (about the social & environmental affects, not the tech) to use it. He doesn't use it for any kind of business or educational purpose. So theres a contingent of folks who "like" AI but still don't take it seriously.

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                  • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

                    @futurebird

                    My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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                    #16

                    @rgulick @futurebird I saw someone else mention that too, maybe a year or so ago.

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                      Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                      The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                      #17

                      @futurebird LOL. So true. This old person understands tech a lot better than most... And I loathe AI.

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                      • apbblue@thepit.socialA apbblue@thepit.social

                        @futurebird I've never been "hip and with it." So why start now? 😂

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                        #18

                        @APBBlue @futurebird Dunno. Maybe as some sort of penance? Have you done anything needing one?

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                        • timtfj@mastodon.socialT timtfj@mastodon.social

                          @APBBlue @futurebird Dunno. Maybe as some sort of penance? Have you done anything needing one?

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                          #19

                          @timtfj @futurebird probably

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                          • glecharles@gardenstate.socialG glecharles@gardenstate.social

                            @futurebird "do crime in a computer suit" 😂🔥

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                            #20

                            @glecharles @futurebird

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                              Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                              The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                              #21

                              @futurebird
                              "do crime in a computer suit" 😆

                              *chef's kiss*

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                              • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

                                @futurebird

                                My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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                                #22

                                @rgulick @futurebird I've heard my daughter's friends use "that's AI" to mean the thing someone asserted is not true - that they're repeating unreliable bullshit.

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                                • dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.orgD dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org

                                  @rgulick @futurebird I've heard my daughter's friends use "that's AI" to mean the thing someone asserted is not true - that they're repeating unreliable bullshit.

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                                  #23

                                  @dragonfrog @rgulick

                                  Yeah my students do this.

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                    Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                    The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                    #24

                                    @futurebird yes, this. Gods, so much this.

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                                    • idiran@livellosegreto.itI idiran@livellosegreto.it

                                      @rgulick @futurebird My kid is 16, and whenever he spots something ai-made his disgust is real.

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                                      #25

                                      @idiran @rgulick @futurebird I'm 45, and every time I see something made by "AI" I'm disgusted too.

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        There is an attempt to make people feel like being critical of using LLMs is not "hip and with it" Only old people who don't understand technology are unimpressed.

                                        Nothing could be further from the truth. Young people don't like the slop, the most tech people have the harshest words.

                                        The typical AI fan doesn't know how it works or the limitations: this blind spot makes them both dazzled and fearful ... therefore unable to assign blame to humans when they do crime in a computer suit.

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                                        #26

                                        @futurebird I can attest to the fact there are many software developers who understand how it works well enough and are in fact big fans of LLMs, at least for software development purposes. FWIW though I don't know of any of those who are fans of it outside of that realm

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                                        • rgulick@social.coopR rgulick@social.coop

                                          @futurebird

                                          My grandkids (13 and 10) use 'AI' as shorthand for 'garbage' art/film/writing/etc, and the same for every kid in their school.

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                                          #27

                                          @rgulick @futurebird My daughters do the same. It's widely used slang now for anything crappy.

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