1. Debian Developer resigns from the project in response to the recent vote to allow generative AI use within Debian.2.
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
i admire your bravery in not having an opinion
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I'm hardly likely to adjust my attitude with regard to a post that uses abusive words such as "fuck", "fuck", "fascist", and "fucktards" to complain about abuse.
If they can't take the heat, don't f f f f in the kitchen.
@grahamperrin ok then. Bye, asshole. *plonk*
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@AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik I'm not doubting that. But I'm also seeing people opposed to AI apply use and/or tolerance of AI as purity tests for projects, people, and purpose, and rejecting any association with anyone who fails their test because of the people off the deep end you're talking about.
@mogul @AlexsandraSmart @msbellows @jik I keep seeing people opposed to E. coli treat the presence of E. coli in food as some kind of purity test for kitchen staff, restaurants, and suppliers, and refusing to eat food from those that fail that test... they're totally off the deep end
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@jik thank you!
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
@mogul @msbellows @jik this is the most annoying trope of an argument. People are against AI for good specific reasons. You're engaging in really rude nytimes-levels of both-sidesing.
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@benjamineskola @jik "We hate power drills so you have to promise to not use power drills while donating your time/skills to build this community center, also we're never gonna actually check that you're not using a power drills."
@MeaningfulBits @benjamineskola @jik Ah the AI-bro lame «it is only a tool like a power drill» nonsense. Anything to defend the stochastic parroting of other people’s content.
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@benjamineskola @jik "We hate power drills so you have to promise to not use power drills while donating your time/skills to build this community center, also we're never gonna actually check that you're not using a power drills."
@MeaningfulBits @benjamineskola @jik AI enthusiasts cannot stop themselves from bragging about the AI that they use.
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@jik tone of the message aside. How is #Debian supposed to ban AI assisted coding or only include human generated #code?
I'm not defending what or how the guy said what he said, it was terrible antisocial nerd cringe.
But shouldn't we be focusing on the quality of the code submissions? How much can AI touch code I submitted? If I use it to keep my TODO list or as a rubber duck should my code be excluded?
I'm asking in good faith, not trolling.
@MeaningfulBits for what it's worth, yesterday I wrote:
"IMHO the author's extreme references to fascism don't do him any favours, because when I think of fascism, I think of extremes such as genocide and the murders of millions of people. …"
That was with regard to the public announcement from the person who retired – <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2026/08/msg00318.html>.
Not the person who was subsequently blocked.
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Grammar and punctuation, please.
You omitted a full stop, and I'm far from impressed by the absence of uppercase. I hope that you're not involved in code review.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1vzqns8/comment/p6liqiy/?context=1>
#punctuationpolice #grammarpolice #AI
Cc @jik
@grahamperrin@bsd.cafe @cyberquixote @jik well that was an easy block
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@jik @davidgerard đź«‚
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@grahamperrin ok then. Bye, asshole. *plonk*
@jik they are a reddit mod after all... @grahamperrin
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@grahamperrin @cyberquixote Wowza, are you really still not aware in this day and age how much of a total asshole move it is to correct people's spelling and grammar in ephemeral social media posts and judge their competence based on it?
I mean, really now, get a life.
You get one chance to unreservedly apologize here. Anything else will result in an immediate block.
Sheesh.@jik @grahamperrin @cyberquixote
Surely that was sarcasm? I hope it was...Edit: I recall that, based on other posts the person apparently is a slopper, might be underage based on the content.
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@benjamineskola @jik who determines which is which. Just seems like it would be hard to enforce at best and miss used at worse. For a project that already has limited resources do we hire an #AI code watcher?
@MeaningfulBits @benjamineskola @jik If there was a somewhat widespread practice of kidnapping physically less-fit developers, chaining them in basements and making them do programming for you, there would likely be at least some projects denouncing this practice and prohibiting from doing that when contributing.
Would you go and say "but you cannot go to all countries in the world and actually check every single individual!"?
(yes, this is a thought exercise to lead somewhere)
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@KittenKoder hey, if you're coming after me as an AI bro then you've misunderstood the situation, and if you're not, then you might want to be more precise in your language in the future
@jik I've spotted that same person trying to pick ridiculous fights in threads on 3 completely different topics in the space of a week. I suspect they're not being entirely genuine here
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@jik @grahamperrin @cyberquixote
Surely that was sarcasm? I hope it was...Edit: I recall that, based on other posts the person apparently is a slopper, might be underage based on the content.
@richlv not exactly sarcasm.
A hint. Where I used these two hashtags –
– I'm not truly a member of any police force.
I was not truly upset by the grammar or punctuation.
I was obliquely challenging the person who, it seems, gained popularity by describing the entire Debian community as "fascist fucktards".
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@jik they are a reddit mod after all... @grahamperrin
RE: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/117184183821339922
@petko true. Genuinely, thanks for taking a few seconds to think beyond the obvious.
If you have not already guessed: my style of moderation (in Reddit) very strongly discourages people from using language such as "fascist fucktards" to describe an entire community.
So, I might keep an eye on these two lists:
https://infosec.exchange/@cyberquixote/117181069908946276/favourites
https://infosec.exchange/@cyberquixote/117181069908946276/reblogs
Cc @davidgerard
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
This is not really a disagreement over ideology, it is a disagreement over ontology. A disagreement over the nature of reality. Either you believe that the output of an LLM should be treated as if it came from a mind (wrong and delusional) or you do not (correct and reality-based).
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@marcusxms If you feel compelled to respond with a point by point commentary like this then I really think you missed my point.
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@msbellows @jik Someone said "Everyone for AI is too for it, and everyone against AI is too against it" and that nails it. Ideologues are noisy at both ends of the spectrum.
@mogul @msbellows @jik "If only those pesky folks with ethics and educated positions would just shut up." Fuck off, Bret.
