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  3. i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

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  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

    @otakup0pe when i visited the internet archive back in 2013, i took the tour

    a big part of the speech involved "the natural enemy of libraries are governments" and explaining who or what would most likely see the death of the archive

    and joking "we hope that by being in a church, they might have some second thoughts"

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    #39

    Since the 90s, if not 80s in the US, there has been a global offensive by federalized global (western) capital against EVERYTHING #public to be confiscated, liquidated, and privatized.

    Why would "PUBLIC" #libraries escape this offensive. In most constitutions except for dictatorships and monarchies, to convert anything public to private you have to violate the access rights by ALL HUMANS, not even just citizens/residents

    Pseudo environmental #GreenEnergy campaigns have been just a cover-up for this constitutional violation, converting public land/water-bodies into private "lots".

    "Governments" are not the enemies of libraries, governments hostage to economic elites and processes are enemies of people (working people, the working poor). Unless we are to devolve to the ultimate fascism of the survival of the fittest (and best armed) .. we ... people .. collectively will need to govern our communities and protect our own rights.

    Something that capitalism is violently opposing and destroying the possibility of.

    @tef @otakup0pe

    #libertarian #communalism / #communism

    #antifa (true antifascism is anti-capaitalism as fascism is nothing more than anti-communism)

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    • tudbut@social.tudbut.deT tudbut@social.tudbut.de

      @tef@mastodon.social i apologize for just jumping in here but i want to back up just how literal this destruction is. despite me using an ai blocker, my server is now at a constant 50%+ cpu usage, most of which coming from caddy and thus being unavoidable for me unless i write my own reverse proxy too (not too unlikely i suppose, but either way).

      i am now experiencing up to 300-something requests per second that are confirmed to be coming from llm scrapers, usually hovering around 185 with regular spikes to 250. that means an average of 16 million requests per day. this translates to over 99.7% of requests to my sites coming from scrapers.

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      #40

      @tudbut @tef i don't even look at my iocaine logs any more and rely on people who can't get in contacting me

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      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

        i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

        i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

        as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

        so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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        #41

        @tef Funny how it's exactly the same as with Uber years ago. Which was marketed as a solution for private cars, but in fact was replacing public transit:

        https://48hills.org/2024/09/uber-and-lyft-are-undermining-public-transit-a-new-study-shows/

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        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

          the worst bit? i still like machine learning, i still think stochastic approaches can have benefits

          but if i wrote software that pushed vulnerable teenagers to suicide, or enabled people to sexually harass strangers with pornographic forgeries

          i would take a step back from the keyboard and ask my good buddy hans, "are we the baddies"

          or at least, i hope i'd ask those hard questions

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          #42

          @tef @bert_hubert BUT THE MONEY / FIRST MOVER ADVANTAGE / BEING THE PERSON WHO OWNS ALL OF THE LABOUR IN THE WORLD etc

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          • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

            i don't want to be all "you are not immune to propaganda" but a lot of these arguments prey on optimism and hope that technology can lift people up

            but when you start to examine the rhetoric, like "what if <imaginary circumstance where the tools are useful>"

            or "bad thing? that's a lack of training and dicipline"

            it just feels like gun logic in a new outfit

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            #43

            @tef @davidgerard “The only way to stop a bad guy with an AI is a good guy with an AI.”—Doctorow, possibly

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            • janamarie@mystical.gardenJ janamarie@mystical.garden

              @tef I think the first part is one of the things that makes me extra angry. Much of what is now called "AI" is not exactly new or novel, we have used machine learning and generally stochastic approaches for ages, and it's great. I have applications where I can specifically activate a machine learning approach and it makes sense. But the lens of capitalism has 'forced' the companies to now slap a butthole next to the label, add a buzzword-adjective like "deep" and make it an "AI"-feature to compete. This sucks, I want to be happy using good software, not feel shame, leave us alone, fuck off with your capitalism

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              #44

              @janamarie @tef yeah, I hate the way these people vandalize language. I grew up as a cyberpunk fan excited by AI, robotics, space exploration and cryptography. Now I have to constantly append "but not like that" every time I talk about things that interest me. I guess I'm lucky I was never deeply interested in quantum physics. If they inflate a guitar or bicycle bubble next I'm going to lose it

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              • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                @Klara see also wat tyler i guess

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                #45

                @tef I wasn’t thinking about peasants, but about the protest/fights between craft guilds and whoever installed the clocks and control system.

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                • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                  i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                  i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                  as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                  so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                  #46

                  @tef Self-driving cars, have the *potential* to be safer, but only as part of a holistic change to the way we approach transportation and urban planning as a society that would include decreasing the need and desire for individual conveyances in the first place. Most of the rest of that change kinda has to happen *first* before self-driving cars will actually be able to provide any benefit.

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                  • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                    we're destroying the open web

                    we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

                    and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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                    #47

                    @tef i do wonder if this is intentional, now that the internet has been fully scraped it doesn't need to exist any more and in fact must not because it can't be monetized/controlled like an llm service can be

                    i despair

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                    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                      it feels like a lot of the arguments i hear boil down to "what if none of the bad things were happening right now, and instead, good things happened instead"

                      and sure, if that were true, things would be good

                      but, well, all of the bad things are happening already and none of the good things are any closer to appearing

                      and i'm just not confident "wait and see if everything reverses course" is a sensible way to evaluate the impact of new technologies

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                      #48

                      @tef What if the temperature of the water starts going back down again, magically? Then you frogs who jumped out are going to look pretty foolish!

                      Did I say water and frogs? What if climate change fixes itself magically? Why don't we wait and see?

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                      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                        i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                        i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                        as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                        so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                        #49

                        @tef Does anybody believe that in private investor pitches, Elon Musk tells people that RoboTaxis will mean that nobody needs to buy a Tesla? No!

                        He tells investors that the market for RoboTaxis are all the municipal transit lines everywhere, and that while Waymo may look like competition, they're actually frenemies dismantling public transit.

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                        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                          i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

                          i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

                          as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

                          so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

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                          #50

                          @tef I suspect a Waymo is more likely to keep to the speed limit and less likely to run me over than a human driver.

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                          • vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV vfig@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @EndlessMason @tef "The origin point for nearly all of those 'you work harder than a medieval peasant' memes and articles is Juliet Schor’s The Overworked American (1993). The argument has been debunked quite a few times…" — https://acoup.blog/2025/09/05/collections-life-work-death-and-the-peasant-part-ivb-working-days/

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                            #51

                            @vfig @tef
                            So they even had "you got time to lean? You got time to clean." back then too? Interesting.

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                            • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                              we're destroying the open web

                              we're burning down the closest thing i've ever seen in my life to the library of alexandria

                              and people are explaining to me how warm it keeps their hands, and maybe, in the future, the ashes will contain the secrets of the universe

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                              #52

                              @tef I think we are more likely to be destroyed by a Vogon construction crew.

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                              • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                @vfig @EndlessMason the point i was making in the post is that timekeeping, albeit good, has also been used as a means of control, and i am using the meme of a medieval peasant to satirise the belief that technology will save us

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                                #53

                                @tef @vfig @EndlessMason Certainly work can be thought of as a pleasure or a burden to some degree. Intensive production whether manual or automated accelerates #alienation and #conflict Overproduction is not sustainable and idleness does not produce creativity. All, is not for the best if people don’t do their best for each other. If just for a very few technology serves and protects those who abuse and destroy capital. Work, is for the worst! The good is for the many, the worst is for the few.

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                                • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                  the worst bit? i still like machine learning, i still think stochastic approaches can have benefits

                                  but if i wrote software that pushed vulnerable teenagers to suicide, or enabled people to sexually harass strangers with pornographic forgeries

                                  i would take a step back from the keyboard and ask my good buddy hans, "are we the baddies"

                                  or at least, i hope i'd ask those hard questions

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                                  #54

                                  @tef I listened to an excellent podcast yesterday on 'Neuroprivacy' - a brilliant example of cooperation between ethical/legal and technical expertise working very hard to make new neurotechnologies a net positive by considering and guarding against social harms whilst the technology is still developing.

                                  From the @eff podcast:
                                  https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/1c515ea8-cb6d-4f72-8d17-bc9b7a566869/episodes/3955c653-7346-44d2-82e2-0238931bcfd9/audio/6ce9ce71-a66a-46ba-9472-890fadb7ff08/default_tc.mp3

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                                  • vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV vfig@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    @EndlessMason @tef "The origin point for nearly all of those 'you work harder than a medieval peasant' memes and articles is Juliet Schor’s The Overworked American (1993). The argument has been debunked quite a few times…" — https://acoup.blog/2025/09/05/collections-life-work-death-and-the-peasant-part-ivb-working-days/

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                                    #55

                                    @vfig @EndlessMason @tef It does feed into a weird revanchism that is popular on both the right and the left, though.

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                                    • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                      i don't want to be all "you are not immune to propaganda" but a lot of these arguments prey on optimism and hope that technology can lift people up

                                      but when you start to examine the rhetoric, like "what if <imaginary circumstance where the tools are useful>"

                                      or "bad thing? that's a lack of training and dicipline"

                                      it just feels like gun logic in a new outfit

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                                      #56

                                      @tef This comparison is really clarifying for me, because I'm coming up against a lot of "what if"s where blind people like me are used to justify AI because we benefit from it so much. Not all of which is imaginary but it's really exaggerated and context-specific.

                                      And the reaction to any problem I mention is "oh you/other blind people just need to learn about it, get used to it, skill issue." No! It is not just a skill issue.

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                                      • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                        similarly, i've heard a few times that "we might cure cancer", and sure enough some brute force computation can fold proteins fast

                                        but in practice it is more likely these tools will be used to fabricate experimental results, push dietary supplements and other snakeoil cures

                                        and more coarsely, ai isn't pouring funding into the CDC, ai isn't reversing the destruction of the FDA, and is more than likely going to be used to justify those things

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                                        #57

                                        @tef
                                        The medical industry doesn't even *want* to cure cancer. Plenty of researchers do of course, but we have to contend with the fact that the people who *fund* research have literally said out loud that they don't want to cure cancer because it would interfere with their profits.

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                                        • tef@mastodon.socialT tef@mastodon.social

                                          the simple answer is that none of the good futures we imagine happen by accident. and none of the people with power can be trusted to make better things happen

                                          and now i'm asking myself if medieval peasants looked at the clock in the bell tower and told each other

                                          "in the future, we'll have a weekend off, as they'll be able to see how long and hard we've worked"

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                                          #58

                                          @tef maybe, and I want to stress it's just an idea of mine, of which I'm not sure, they are killing the open web to give us AI also in order to control us more. Let me explain: you can't easily run an "AI" on you own pc unless you can spend a lot in hardware (and electricity of course). So you need to rely on their data centers , and so no more private stuff in your pc... everything flows in their hands. The open web is maybe more freedom than they are willing to allow us ? Should this idea be true then this requires us to fight back, unless we want to give up our freedom. Which I don't personally.

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