"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
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@eniko I once saw an AI-generated flyer for a punk event and found that utterly baffling. The irony.
(Perhaps I already said this exact thing in your replies before. In that case, I apologize for the repetition.)
@ozzelot @eniko similarly, a local musician has used AI for a poster and it is *tosh*. It’s like AI has never seen a guitar, things are backwards and upside down. The worst thing is the musicians wife is an artist. If he’s ‘that’ll do’ with the poster, I’m not trusting he doesn’t have the same attitude towards his music. Dude you’re an artist, hire a fellow artist like *the one you’re married to*!
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@ozzelot @eniko similarly, a local musician has used AI for a poster and it is *tosh*. It’s like AI has never seen a guitar, things are backwards and upside down. The worst thing is the musicians wife is an artist. If he’s ‘that’ll do’ with the poster, I’m not trusting he doesn’t have the same attitude towards his music. Dude you’re an artist, hire a fellow artist like *the one you’re married to*!
@SquirrelwithaninvisibleW @eniko Oh, god...
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
I'm sure there are sites out there where you can get struggling artists to do this work for cheaper than using AI.
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko When I use AI, I hold full responsibility for truth and accuracy because AI simply can't. I will never blame AI for my mistakes. That would be rediculous. You shouldn't distrust my entire work for using AI.
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It shows at least that you devalue the human effort that goes into other creative efforts.
"I'm a writer. Generative AI could never do what I do. But banner art? That's perfect for generative AI."
"I'm a video essayist. I research, write, film, direct, and produce all my videos. I take pride in my artistry and technical skill. But I need some music to play in the background so I'll use generative AI."
@jrdepriest@infosec.exchange @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place Yes, very much that
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko also eating the planet, increasing hardware costs, being no artistic whatsoever and being okay with being called a meatproxy!
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@eniko When I use AI, I hold full responsibility for truth and accuracy because AI simply can't. I will never blame AI for my mistakes. That would be rediculous. You shouldn't distrust my entire work for using AI.
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko Today I discovered my employer replaced a purpose-made, pixel-by-pixel, hand-crafted drawing on a blog post my teammate wrote by a LLM-generated image. Reason? Consistency across articles. Yup, all articles look shitty now, well done. No heads up, no ask, just the violence of a personal work thrashed.
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko one of the things that argument makes me wonder: why bother in the first place if it's a "throwaway" image? If it's so unimportant that the author feels it's worth no more than some gen AI slop, does their project even need that asset in the first place?
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putting a little AI generated stuff in your work is like putting a little sewage in a drink: now the whole thing is sewage
@eniko Ooh, I've used this one before
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it's interesting everyone seems to be assuming i'm talking about games but i'm actually talking about anything. blog posts with AI header images, youtube videos with AI images or thumbnails, books with AI covers, music with AI cover art, etc
but yes also games
@eniko If it's not worth the effort to present it, it's not worth the effort to consume it
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko Even if there wouldn't be all the other concerns, just "not liking it" should be reason enough when it comes to art of all things, which has no inherent value, only the value the beholder attributes to it.
Not putting effort or intent in a part of your art surprisingly reduces the value for the beholders who value effort and intent above volume and content.
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko If you don't care about the thing you're making, why should your audience? That's the real question. Any asshole can prompt an AI, it's not special. Having a craft and dedicating your time to it has value.
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it's interesting everyone seems to be assuming i'm talking about games but i'm actually talking about anything. blog posts with AI header images, youtube videos with AI images or thumbnails, books with AI covers, music with AI cover art, etc
but yes also games
@eniko definitely agree with the sentiment! AI should be kept outside of any actual content creation, regardless of what type of content, however I think it can be useful as an ancillary tool (e.g. won't use it to generate code, but I will use it to review code as it can sometimes refer to subjects I'm not familiar with which I can then read up on and therefore end up learning more myself). So like all tools, I think it comes down to how people use it, and people are abusing it
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@eniko
Yes! I just made that exact decision with a document which had a bunch of illustrations with this same caption:"Original illustration produced by the author with AI support"
I immediately thought, the author probably used AI on the text, too. That means I can't trust it.
I'm sure the OP has probably read this paper but I'm adding a link for folks who have not. It shows how meaning can be changed even when the LLM "only" modified the grammar:
@ahimsa_pdx @eniko
I havent read the whole 95 page study report but this caught my eye;... usage among
students is a function of pre-existing writing confidence and skills (Picton et al., 2025), with students
who enjoyed writing before using AI tending to augment AI outputs with their own thinking, whereas
those who struggled with writing are more likely to adopt AI-generated text wholesale.....I wonder about teachers using ai to grade; are students being forced to the mean of achievement?
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It shows at least that you devalue the human effort that goes into other creative efforts.
"I'm a writer. Generative AI could never do what I do. But banner art? That's perfect for generative AI."
"I'm a video essayist. I research, write, film, direct, and produce all my videos. I take pride in my artistry and technical skill. But I need some music to play in the background so I'll use generative AI."
@jrdepriest @eniko
... and I make my own music but if I need a presentation video I'll use generative #aiso that is what is leaving us both hunger in the streets while the #billionaires laugh at both of us on their way to the bank.
divide and conquer is a time proven method to destroy.
#democracy is more than voting!
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it's interesting everyone seems to be assuming i'm talking about games but i'm actually talking about anything. blog posts with AI header images, youtube videos with AI images or thumbnails, books with AI covers, music with AI cover art, etc
but yes also games
The weirdos are arriving in my mentions so I'm gonna mute this now
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@eniko definitely agree with the sentiment! AI should be kept outside of any actual content creation, regardless of what type of content, however I think it can be useful as an ancillary tool (e.g. won't use it to generate code, but I will use it to review code as it can sometimes refer to subjects I'm not familiar with which I can then read up on and therefore end up learning more myself). So like all tools, I think it comes down to how people use it, and people are abusing it
@baldrosary @eniko wrong!
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@eniko For me it's more: "If you've heard all the ethical arguments against it but decide that they don't matter for $reasons, I will still try to avoid you and your work, even the stuff you claim is completely L*M-free."
The example I keep seeing is "character portrait for a private TTRPG campaign that nobody's making money from" and ... maybe just do an image search, find something from an artist, and credit them? That'd probably fall under "fair use" and also isn't plagiarism.
