The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth.
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@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin Webrings. They didn't last all that long, but we could revisit the idea.
@Steve @everton137 @allaboutberlin I feel like in combination with repurposed phones and PCs for servers it’s like building an alternative infrastructure to the search dependent ones
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@Steve @everton137 @allaboutberlin I feel like in combination with repurposed phones and PCs for servers it’s like building an alternative infrastructure to the search dependent ones
@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin There are two ways to find information: searching and browsing. Browsing used to be the default, which is why web programs are called "browsers." I miss those days, and would be happy to have them back. The one big site that's still browsing-friendly is Wikipedia.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin and another earlier today - the overfishing dude https://mastodon.online/@Pepijn/111991376150442267
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin It's definitely going to be an "experience", what happens in a few years when most people stop making content.
Will we (consumers) even notice if slop is training slop?
Or will we see start seeing a pushback from normal folk against the AI-hypers?I cannot even see any benefit to try and create a "new", human based/link directory network again (like the old web), because [they] will just scan that and destroy it as well, unless it really becomes popular and consumers have left the bad actors entirely behind.
E.g. no-google.Real physical books could be a thing again, but they'll scan them and again, unless consumers have left the services, we're back to square one.
It does look bleak, very bleak, and I struggle finding any sort of light in the dark.
@svelmoe @everton137 @allaboutberlin You forgot the part where they made everyone invested through their big IPOs, making everyone a bag holder - ready for the rug pull - while they run away laughing when the economy turns. And then, instead of having them go bust, we must bail them out - let people lose their retirements etc. But, enjoy the weekend.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin Sooo.... when Google AI kills all the web.... the fuck the AI going to pull answers from?
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137
Google is shooting itself in the foot. For one thing, no tracking or ad impressions are generated on websites. Additionaly, other search engines will likely start to gain ground.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @malachy @allaboutberlin Instantly bookmarking the site.
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin and another earlier today - the overfishing dude https://mastodon.online/@Pepijn/111991376150442267
@brad @allaboutberlin thanks for sharing.
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin We need a reversion to link circles (can’t remember what they’re called) before search existed. People just including other sites to visit at the bottom of their pages.
@ayl @everton137 @allaboutberlin webrings. They still exist.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin just subscribed to RSS
Didnt know about the sitr. Pretty nice
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin Thing is, I would be prepared to bet it's _not_ being trained on their site specifically. I bet it's a generically trained LLM that is live querying Google's cache of their website and "summarising" it (and other related content). In other words, it would bypass the debate about training and copyright. It could be incontrovertibly live copyright infringement.
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin
or maybe, people will start distribute their work in a non-indexable channel, like email newsletter, or more. -
@NatureMC I think to wait for the politicians to act would be a mistake. We should start to poison their LLMs on a large scale.
@CyberPunker @NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin How do you do that without poisoning the sources you’re trying to preserve?
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@everton137
Google is shooting itself in the foot. For one thing, no tracking or ad impressions are generated on websites. Additionaly, other search engines will likely start to gain ground.
@allaboutberlin@beandev @everton137 @allaboutberlin seems for tracking Google has a plan: they already own a large part of our mails, documents, phones,...
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@CyberPunker @NatureMC @everton137 @allaboutberlin How do you do that without poisoning the sources you’re trying to preserve?
@scottishwildcat
Trying to identify the AI Scraper and serve them other content than humans.
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@everton137 @allaboutberlin Sooo.... when Google AI kills all the web.... the fuck the AI going to pull answers from?
@hellomiakoda a handful of "news providers" with licensing deals, and just making stuff up
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin
Qwant.Com
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 @allaboutberlin It's almost funny how on-the-nose another recent example is: overfishing.org. The content harvester/processor is literally overfishing the content fishery. In the real world, overfishing was allowed to happen until enough bounty was destroyed that the surviving processors recognized their doom and got laws passed to restrain each other. Is something like that possible here? It's not a perfect analogy (previously harvested fish can be endlessly recycled, the crisis is more on the margin, processor concentration is much higher), but maybe?
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The author of @allaboutberlin on how Google AI Overviews are killing independent web publishing, citing a 70% drop in traffic after seven years of steady growth. His work trains the model. The model is replacing his site. There is no credit, clicks, or revenue. This is what the "enshittification" of the open web looks like in practice.
Hard to imagine moving to Berlin without stumbling upon his guides at some point.
#AI #OpenKnowledge #Berlin #Google #Enshittification #OpenWeb #IndieWeb
@everton137 This is exactly why I've stuck to native iOS apps over web tools, but even the App Store feels precarious now. Seeing years of hand-curated, high-quality work get digested into an LLM with zero return for the creator is incredibly demoralizing for any indie builder.
