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  3. New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

    annabee92@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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    annabee92@mastodon.social
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #38

    @davidrevoy I feel your pain. The original sketch is so wonderful. I love how you drew the cat. I feel really uncomfortable with the way AI generates pictures. I like human-y things.

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    • ophis@brain.worm.pinkO ophis@brain.worm.pink
      @efi @davidrevoy (and the three knees)
      efi@chitter.xyzE This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #39

      @ophis @davidrevoy or she's trans now

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        @RyunoKi @davidrevoy CC the institution, maybe not. But the legalcode still requires attribution.

        ryunoki@layer8.spaceR This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #40

        @cwebber @davidrevoy True.

        But unless it produces art verbatim (whatever that means?) it's going to be tough to win in court, I guess.

        I mean, you have large newspapers in US taking OpenAI to court. Just to have DOJ side with the latter.

        Expressing the wish to not be vacuumed up is better than nothing.

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

          kelson@notes.kvibber.comK This user is from outside of this forum
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          kelson@notes.kvibber.com
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #41

          @davidrevoy I suppose I shoudn't be surprised that someone sent you AI-generated episodes for the Avian Intelligence series, but damn...they really missed the point, didn't they?

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          • efi@chitter.xyzE efi@chitter.xyz

            @ophis @davidrevoy or she's trans now

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            ophis@brain.worm.pink
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #42
            @efi @davidrevoy or he is (given what hrt does i'm going to assume this is one hell of a phalloplasty)
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            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

              New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
              → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

              voxographe@social.nah.reV This user is from outside of this forum
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              voxographe@social.nah.re
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #43

              @davidrevoy Your situation seems terrifying. I can't imagine the feeling of receiving such things like as it was 'normal'.

              Seeing artists suffering from this makes me boil in anger. Hope your adjustements will have at least minimum effects. Sending support your way for dealing wih all this bs.

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                jordan@mastodon.subj.amJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                jordan@mastodon.subj.am
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #44

                @davidrevoy
                As someone who's trying to build a new music platform centered around CC licenses and local communities, I thank you for writing the article. I 100% concur.

                My research shows that unfortunately, it's difficult for any license at all to restrict AI training on content, because that's a copyright issue, not a licensing one. I'm hoping that this will change. I want to protect local and independent musicians from AI theft, but I want them to share w/CC and be supported, too. It's hard.

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                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                  New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                  → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                  voxel@infosec.spaceV This user is from outside of this forum
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                  voxel@infosec.space
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #45

                  @davidrevoy this will maybe will you: https://github.com/ai-robots-txt/ai.robots.txt

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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                    eryops@dice.campE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    eryops@dice.camp
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #46

                    @davidrevoy Are you saying that replacing a broken plate with a loaf of bread(?) isn't enough to make the AI slop original?

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                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                      New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                      skaphle@social.tchncs.deS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      skaphle@social.tchncs.de
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #47

                      @davidrevoy Have you looked into using Nightshade or Glaze or something in that direction to poison AI derivation attempts?

                      https://nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/whatis.html

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                      • n1xnx@tilde.zoneN n1xnx@tilde.zone

                        @f4grx @h5e @davidrevoy
                        Since I'm not actually deranged (externally verified), the very notion of feeding someone else's work into an Ai to "improve" or "expand" it brings on a powerful retch reflex.

                        Seems about as acceptable as raping a sheep on the town square at midday.

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                        pirigoto@mastodonapp.uk
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #48

                        @n1xnx @f4grx @h5e @davidrevoy if you live in the UK it's fine if you do that with pigs, so long you are part of the political class

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                        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                          New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                          cy@fedicy.us.to
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #49
                          crying → singing like Gloria Estaban
                          ket → Catbus-bus from the popular hit movie Miyazaki's My Neighbor Totoro
                          absolutely fascinating hat crown → buckle
                          gee what's the problem everything looks hunky dory to me
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                          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                            New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                            → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                            ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #50

                            @davidrevoy

                            You know the differences between the two are very subtly different emotionally.

                            The alteration of the context..

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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                              → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                              deusfigendi@troet.cafeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              deusfigendi@troet.cafe
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #51

                              @davidrevoy

                              I like your attempt and your point very much. You dislike and prohibit AI without demonizing it or being unrealistic fanatic nor extreme.

                              I am not sure if it is possible to limit the cc-licenses in such a way, but of course one can always write an own license.

                              And if creative commons does not come along with a "no AI" variant, maybe "Art libre" does or GFDL (well unlikely, but you get the point, there are other free licenses)

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                              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                marvins@mastodon.de
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                                #52

                                @davidrevoy

                                Interior monologue of the AI:

                                Ah, I see. A girl! It should be drawn in a beautiful way. Here's some fantastic volume for her magical hair 🪄

                                What's that? It cries? No excuse for an ugly chin! Also, it doesn't really cry, does it? Can I get a little idea of a smile? Perfect.

                                And what's that on the top of her head? A very strange hat, indeed. The artist can't even draw wrinkly wizard hats! Here ist the most perfect wrinkly wizard hat imaginable for this cute littly girl.

                                Ok, I don't exactly know, what's that down there – maybe a ball of some kind? Yeah, it's a child, why not! And really a checker board pattern fits this whole aesthetic far better than whatever that is in the base sketch.

                                All in all, I made it perfect. As everything should be. 😁

                                Why do I waste my time anthropomorphising it?

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                                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                  New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                  → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                                  mirek@rodina-sucha.czM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  mirek@rodina-sucha.cz
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #53

                                  @davidrevoy CreativeCommons statement on the opt-out of "text and data mining" (TDM) for the training purposes https://creativecommons.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/CC-Statement-on-the-TDM-Exception-Art-4-DSM-Final.pdf and here is the implementaion of the "technical means" they refers to: https://www.w3.org/community/reports/tdmrep/CG-FINAL-tdmrep-20240510/

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                                  • poleguy@mastodon.socialP poleguy@mastodon.social

                                    @dajb @cwebber @davidrevoy I'd think it would be easier to start with CC BY-ND and then add an exception to allow for derivatives if they were not AI.

                                    However, I am not a lawyer. Also: possession is nine-tenths of the law, and the AI companies have already trained on the data.

                                    Laws, contracts and licenses are only useful if all parties actually agree to the terms. The written text of the licenses is really only to avoid confusion about the agreement. But the AI companies don't show good faith.

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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #54

                                    @poleguy @cwebber @davidrevoy Well, also, although you can relicense, anything you've originally released just under CC BY is fair game.

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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #55

                                      @davidrevoy I am surprised there are not more organized initiatives to curtail theft on content (fostered) by AI companies. Even open source SW seem to be lagging behind while they used to be rather good at this.

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                                      • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

                                        @farbenstau @davidrevoy you can add exceptions to licenses. It renders them incompatible but thats the exact goal.

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                                        scriptfanix@maly.io
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #56

                                        @f4grx
                                        Also it's about time CC at least acknowledges the issue. I plan on heading a similar exception to CC By-SA for my upcoming music album.
                                        @farbenstau @davidrevoy

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                                        • dajb@social.coopD dajb@social.coop

                                          @cwebber @davidrevoy Isn't this what CC BY-ND is for? 🤔

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                                          robotistry@fediscience.org
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                                          #57

                                          @dajb @cwebber @davidrevoy Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem is wanting a CC-BY-ND-ForAI combined with a CC-BY-ForNotAI so the models aren't allowed to change or use the image while the humans are?

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