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The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization.

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  • chishiki611@enby.lifeC chishiki611@enby.life

    Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.
    @cwebber@social.coop (⚡ Akira) My system has realized this for as long we have been on fedi. 💯

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    #123
    @Chishiki611 @cwebber The fact that I can't just make any TLD real without asking daddy ICANN for a licese, only for that to cost an insane amount of money, is so insane.
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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      @cararemixed "alternative DNS systems" doesn't really help though, because the TLS CA system is designed to work with the centralized view of "DNS truth"

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      #124
      @cwebber @cararemixed this is one of the reasons I never want to enable HSTS on my website

      the plan for it is to be a site about myself, meltcats (my species), all my tech projects (like Kittyscript), my political views and an Akkoma instance.

      but all that the website is right now is two glorified hello world pages I wrote myself and a few redirects to them.

      yay for ADHD executive dysfunction. I'm paying €23 every month for a server I completely underutilize because I can't make myself follow plans.

      see http://lunatronex.net and http://luna.dragofelis.net
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      • alice@gts.void.dogA alice@gts.void.dog

        @alienghic i am.. skeptical that a bunch of dorks sharing a host file is comparable to protecting someone from a fascist.
        idk propose to register the domain name as a proxy, start your own antifascist collective and share the legal burden of this kind of work, etc. its just a bit frustrating when the 'tech crowds' focus on their ability to access a website and then lose interest.

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        #125

        @alice

        Being able to talk to people outside of government propaganda is a step toward being able to resist an oppressive government.

        Look at how much effort Putin puts into restricting what social media russians can access and all the limitations placed on gathering.

        It's not enough, but it's a start.

        And yes we should be doing more communication over tor, i2p, or maybe even paper.

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

          Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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          #126

          @cwebber Not all of them - https://www.inventati.org is still up, but https://www.autistici.org is gone

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          • wjmaggos@liberal.cityW wjmaggos@liberal.city

            @jens

            the vast majority of the web is still not AI shit and while Nazis have always been allowed on the web, it has only been very recently that AI is a problem.

            you're gonna argue that our conservative relatives should never have been allowed to use the same internet we do? that pushing them to instead use a web shared by fascists where our voices were not present would have been better for society?

            the fedi doesn't just moderate harassment. it limits all speech that isn't progressive.

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            #127

            @wjmaggos I would like to introduce you to a bunch of instances I blocked, if you want to know how well "the web" moderates non-progressive views.

            But you have a bone to pick, and from the tone, it's not with me.

            So chill for a week.

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            • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

              @wjmaggos I would like to introduce you to a bunch of instances I blocked, if you want to know how well "the web" moderates non-progressive views.

              But you have a bone to pick, and from the tone, it's not with me.

              So chill for a week.

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              #128

              @jens

              we seem to be talking past each other.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                #129

                @cwebber Noblogs.org blogs gives a timeout right now but the subdomain cavalette (which looks like a sort of status page and way to communicate with all their very many users) is still up.

                https://cavallette.noblogs.org/

                And https://www.inventati.org/ is also up.

                Please edit your post. By pointing people to archive.org (who removed posts related to the Amnesty UK report story) you're not giving people the option to check out other links and older or newer posts on https://cavallette.noblogs.org/

                Thanks in advance

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                  But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                  I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                  EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                  EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

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                  #130

                  @cwebber what should I read about which TLDs can be controlled by the US government in this way?

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                  • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                    @onemoreday @cwebber You say "now" like this is a new thing https://dn.org/government-influence-on-dns-through-domain-seizures-and-takedowns/

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                    #131

                    @prism @cwebber that link is an excellent reminder -- i was not thinking about those incidents when i made my comment

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                    • siblingsofthevoid@void.lgbtS siblingsofthevoid@void.lgbt
                      @Chishiki611 @cwebber The fact that I can't just make any TLD real without asking daddy ICANN for a licese, only for that to cost an insane amount of money, is so insane.
                      chishiki611@enby.lifeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #132

                      @siblingsofthevoid@void.lgbt @cwebber@social.coop (⚡) same, or just making a domain without a registry.

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        The US has declared Autistici/Inventati, an Italian anarchist hacker (in the classic sense of the term) collective, a terrorist organization. https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

                        But what you really ought to read is this article about A/I's history, and what this means https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

                        I'm concerned that the US government is starting to identify decentralized media infrastructure as a threat to its survival. Repost information about this broadly, and if you have media contacts, inform them of counter-narratives; there could come a time where the fediverse, or any decentralized network infrastructure, is a target as well if we don't sound the alarms now.

                        EDIT: I linked to the wrong page! The second link is now fixed 🙂

                        EDIT 2: A/I's domains have been revoked! So added an archive.org link

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                        #133

                        @cwebber
                        "Antifascism and anticapitalism are not terrorism. Protesting is not terrorism. And everyone has the right to speak out and to struggle for humanity. "

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                        • byte@rage.loveB byte@rage.love

                          @cwebber noblogs domain at least seems to still be accessible on my end in Europe. Do we know if this is a US specific block, or perhaps I am just getting a cached DNS response?

                          (Normally I am in the US but I happen to be in Europe right now)

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                          #134

                          @Byte @cwebber also inventati.org is still live in germany....

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                            Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                            #135

                            @cwebber

                            Their Authoritative DNS servers are still up.

                            I grabbed the list of nameservers with dig NS investici.org and then used that to make this unbound forward zone.

                            forward-zone:
                            name: "autistici.org"
                            forward-addr: 93.190.126.19
                            forward-addr: 198.167.222.108
                            forward-addr: 185.218.207.228
                            forward-addr: 2c0f:f930:0:4::108
                            forward-addr: 2a11:7980:1::2:0
                            forward-addr: 2a12:4180:dc1:929::42

                            I duplicated the zone for autistici.org, investici.org, and noblogs.org, all of which seem to work. I can clone some projects off of git.autistici.org/public.

                            Not sure if if noblogs.org has been revoked yet.

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                              #136

                              @SRAZKVT the root servers are the issue...

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                              • siblingsofthevoid@void.lgbtS siblingsofthevoid@void.lgbt
                                @Chishiki611 @cwebber The fact that I can't just make any TLD real without asking daddy ICANN for a licese, only for that to cost an insane amount of money, is so insane.
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                                #137
                                @siblingsofthevoid @Chishiki611 @cwebber if a TLD didn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, we would long already have .meow AND .furry, and not both projects competing for the ridiculous amount of funding needed and one being accused of hurting the other's chances of success
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                                • lunadragofelis@void.lgbtL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #138
                                  @solonovamax @cwebber Maybe it's just still cached on your DNS server.
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                                  • alienghic@timeloop.cafeA alienghic@timeloop.cafe

                                    @cwebber

                                    Their Authoritative DNS servers are still up.

                                    I grabbed the list of nameservers with dig NS investici.org and then used that to make this unbound forward zone.

                                    forward-zone:
                                    name: "autistici.org"
                                    forward-addr: 93.190.126.19
                                    forward-addr: 198.167.222.108
                                    forward-addr: 185.218.207.228
                                    forward-addr: 2c0f:f930:0:4::108
                                    forward-addr: 2a11:7980:1::2:0
                                    forward-addr: 2a12:4180:dc1:929::42

                                    I duplicated the zone for autistici.org, investici.org, and noblogs.org, all of which seem to work. I can clone some projects off of git.autistici.org/public.

                                    Not sure if if noblogs.org has been revoked yet.

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                                    #139

                                    @cwebber

                                    I wonder if unbound should have a NS forward zone mode that is intentionally designed to query over services like tor, i2p, yggdrasil or veilid.

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                                    • chishiki611@enby.lifeC chishiki611@enby.life

                                      @siblingsofthevoid@void.lgbt @cwebber@social.coop (⚡) same, or just making a domain without a registry.

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                                      #140
                                      @Chishiki611 @cwebber oh yeah domain registration. Why does an entry in a text file cost me fucking 50 a year?? what is this shit?
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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                                        Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                                        #141

                                        @cwebber shoot,time to move my domain off off Nazi control I suppose.

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          Autistici/Inventati's domains have now been revoked. I updated the link in the above post with a wayback machine copy.

                                          Every now and then someone tells me, "We have a decentralized naming system, it's called DNS!" and I say, no we don't, DNS is extremely centralized? And if that wasn't clear to you before, hopefully it's clear to you today.

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                                          #142

                                          @cwebber well, DNS is decentralised….its just that the governance isn’t 😬

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