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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in, that’s enough to convert the local reality of “your city” to a random sample?
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in" - you know these polls have run world-wide, right?
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"There is a lot of these links. That’s why it’s biased" - so you're saying if I see a lot of links about Nazi Germany in my timeline on a WWII anniversary, then I am biased towards Nazi's?
I see you don't understand how polls work. Bye dude@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org I don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works.
Which is a bit concerning for a “maths teacher/tutor”.
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in" - you know these polls have run world-wide, right?@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org But not across the whole population, only part of it.
Local reality, or bubble filter, aren’t only geographic, you know?
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org I don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works.
Which is a bit concerning for a “maths teacher/tutor”.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works" - I have a degree in Statistics dude, how about you?"Which is a bit concerning for a "maths teacher/tutor"" - which part did you miss where I majored in Statistics along the way to becoming a Maths teacher?
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works" - I have a degree in Statistics dude, how about you?"Which is a bit concerning for a "maths teacher/tutor"" - which part did you miss where I majored in Statistics along the way to becoming a Maths teacher?
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org That’s concerning…
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org But not across the whole population, only part of it.
Local reality, or bubble filter, aren’t only geographic, you know?
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"not across the whole population, only part of it" - a random sample of it -
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org That’s concerning…
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"That’s concerning" - I'll take that as a no, you DON'T have a degree in Statistics then. Thanks for playing -
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"not across the whole population, only part of it" - a random sample of it@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org How do you know it was?
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. I bet it wasn’t.
I can’t prove it, but you can’t prove it was either.
That’s why we can’t conclude anything about it.
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org How do you know it was?
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. I bet it wasn’t.
I can’t prove it, but you can’t prove it was either.
That’s why we can’t conclude anything about it.
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @Stem@framapiaf.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org If you have more serious studies than “a poll on the web” to prove that 90% of the whole population is against IA, I’ll take them.
But a poll on the web will never be a thing that we can use to conclude anything by itself.
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"That’s concerning" - I'll take that as a no, you DON'T have a degree in Statistics then. Thanks for playing@SmartmanApps @breizh @Stem So, according to your logic, Smartman, if we would re-run the US presidential vote here (constrain: only with voter who have a Mastodon/Fediverse account since more than one year to exclude bot and newcomers) we would obtain the same result as the one reality gave us? Right?
Well, statistic or not, I wouldn't bet on that even a single Euro.
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org How do you know it was?
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. I bet it wasn’t.
I can’t prove it, but you can’t prove it was either.
That’s why we can’t conclude anything about it.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"you can’t prove it was either" - I don't need to. That's how Statistics works"That’s why we can’t conclude anything about it" - we can draw conclusions from a random sample of 25 people. If you had a degree in Statistics then you would know that already
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @Stem@framapiaf.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org If you have more serious studies than “a poll on the web” to prove that 90% of the whole population is against IA, I’ll take them.
But a poll on the web will never be a thing that we can use to conclude anything by itself.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"poll on the web will never be a thing that we can use to conclude anything by itself" - we can if it's a random sample -
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"you can’t prove it was either" - I don't need to. That's how Statistics works"That’s why we can’t conclude anything about it" - we can draw conclusions from a random sample of 25 people. If you had a degree in Statistics then you would know that already
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org If you ask 25 of your students, it’s not a random sample.
Even if you ask them to ask 25 other people too. Because the people they know aren’t random.
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@SmartmanApps @breizh @Stem So, according to your logic, Smartman, if we would re-run the US presidential vote here (constrain: only with voter who have a Mastodon/Fediverse account since more than one year to exclude bot and newcomers) we would obtain the same result as the one reality gave us? Right?
Well, statistic or not, I wouldn't bet on that even a single Euro.
@davidrevoy @breizh @Stem
"Right?" - Wrong. Voting isn't compulsory, so you have to only poll people who are going to vote -
@Eldeberen @davidrevoy @Stem @breizh
"If we apply fedi polls in reality, we would have" - you got any polls to back you up on that? -
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org If you ask 25 of your students, it’s not a random sample.
Even if you ask them to ask 25 other people too. Because the people they know aren’t random.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"If you ask 25 of your students, it’s not a random sample" - that's right. If you only care about the students in your class then that's the entire population, not a sample. I see you wanted to prove you don't understand Statistics. Good on you -
@Eldeberen @davidrevoy @Stem @breizh
"I can find a bunch yes" - so why haven't you cited them? That's how backing up claims works -
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"If you ask 25 of your students, it’s not a random sample" - that's right. If you only care about the students in your class then that's the entire population, not a sample. I see you wanted to prove you don't understand Statistics. Good on you@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org But then a poll shared by your followers (or the DDG users) is like a poll shared by your students…
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@Eldeberen @davidrevoy @Stem @breizh
"I can find a bunch yes" - so why haven't you cited them? That's how backing up claims works@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @Eldeberen@social.middleearth.fr @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org Oh, two identical polls with differents results.
Oops.
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