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Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Finale Day 8 - 16 June - Bruxelles- Köln - Hamburg, onto night train

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Here's today's intro video, filmed from Gare du Midi

    But I was a bit sweaty from having cycled there!

    https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/sM6yD7qkaDV2T9rLE5CEGk

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    #8

    Meanwhile in France...

    SNCF can now fine you up to €1500 for forgetting a bag somewhere

    *YOU DO NOT STOP PEOPLE BEING FORGETFUL BY FINING THEM*

    *AND NOT EVERY ABANDONED BAG IS A BOMB*

    FFS

    Let's make taking the train as nasty an experience as possible

    https://www.journaldunet.com/patrimoine/finances-personnelles/1542323-hf1-nouvelle-amende-sncf/

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Meanwhile in France...

      SNCF can now fine you up to €1500 for forgetting a bag somewhere

      *YOU DO NOT STOP PEOPLE BEING FORGETFUL BY FINING THEM*

      *AND NOT EVERY ABANDONED BAG IS A BOMB*

      FFS

      Let's make taking the train as nasty an experience as possible

      https://www.journaldunet.com/patrimoine/finances-personnelles/1542323-hf1-nouvelle-amende-sncf/

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      #9

      So either there were no border controls at all in Aachen, or the police are on board and boarded at the back and haven't got to me yet. But we're just about on time heading for Köln. Given the mess of the last week I'll take this, happily! 😀

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        So either there were no border controls at all in Aachen, or the police are on board and boarded at the back and haven't got to me yet. But we're just about on time heading for Köln. Given the mess of the last week I'll take this, happily! 😀

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        #10

        Pottering around Köln for #CrossChannelRail this morning. Will complete the feed once I’m in the ICE to Hamburg shortly.

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Pottering around Köln for #CrossChannelRail this morning. Will complete the feed once I’m in the ICE to Hamburg shortly.

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          #11

          Waiting my train to Hamburg at Köln Hbf, one of Europe’s great stations. Today all is reasonably calm here, delays minimal.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Waiting my train to Hamburg at Köln Hbf, one of Europe’s great stations. Today all is reasonably calm here, delays minimal.

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            #12

            On the point earlier in the thread about France's new fines for forgotten luggage, I think we should describe France has having a "passenger hostile railway" - as a term to describe how decisions are not taken in the passenger interest, the assumption of guilt, the hefty fines, the patronising announcements...

            Is there a way to adequately translate this adequately into French? Wdzt @remi @tomtom @raph_v ?

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              On the point earlier in the thread about France's new fines for forgotten luggage, I think we should describe France has having a "passenger hostile railway" - as a term to describe how decisions are not taken in the passenger interest, the assumption of guilt, the hefty fines, the patronising announcements...

              Is there a way to adequately translate this adequately into French? Wdzt @remi @tomtom @raph_v ?

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              #13

              #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 38 of 154
              RE 1 (26810)
              10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28
              National Express

              Train type: Siemens Desiro HC EMU, 2x 2 single deck and 2 double deck carriages
              ⚡️ (15kV ac)
              🚲: ✅
              🦽: ✅ (step free into single deck carriages)
              🛜: ✅
              🍽️: ⛔️
              🧳: 🙂
              🧽: 🙂

              🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 38 of 154
                RE 1 (26810)
                10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28
                National Express

                Train type: Siemens Desiro HC EMU, 2x 2 single deck and 2 double deck carriages
                ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                🚲: ✅
                🦽: ✅ (step free into single deck carriages)
                🛜: ✅
                🍽️: ⛔️
                🧳: 🙂
                🧽: 🙂

                🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                #14

                RE 1 (26810)
                10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28

                Distance: 14.7km
                Average speed: 110km/h

                1 stops:
                Horrem

                This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#13/50.9345/6.8162

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  RE 1 (26810)
                  10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28

                  Distance: 14.7km
                  Average speed: 110km/h

                  1 stops:
                  Horrem

                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#13/50.9345/6.8162

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                  #15

                  #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 39 of 154
                  S 19
                  10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20
                  DB Regio AG NRW

                  Train type: Adtranz, Alstom LHB, ABB, Bombardier 423 EMU, 2x 4 short carriages
                  ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                  🚲: ✅
                  🦽: ✅ (step free, although not all trains on this line are)
                  🛜: ❓(forgot to check, but I think only renovated trains have wifi and this wasn’t renovated?)
                  🍽️: ⛔️
                  🧳: 😐 (not the best design, door vestibules are more cramped than they need be)
                  🧽: 🙂

                  🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 39 of 154
                    S 19
                    10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20
                    DB Regio AG NRW

                    Train type: Adtranz, Alstom LHB, ABB, Bombardier 423 EMU, 2x 4 short carriages
                    ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                    🚲: ✅
                    🦽: ✅ (step free, although not all trains on this line are)
                    🛜: ❓(forgot to check, but I think only renovated trains have wifi and this wasn’t renovated?)
                    🍽️: ⛔️
                    🧳: 😐 (not the best design, door vestibules are more cramped than they need be)
                    🧽: 🙂

                    🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                    #16

                    S 19
                    10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20

                    Distance: 18.4km
                    Average speed: 53km/h

                    7 stops:
                    Frechen-Königsdorf
                    Köln-Weiden West
                    Lövenich
                    Köln-Müngersdorf Technologiepark
                    Köln-Ehrenfeld
                    Köln Hansaring
                    Köln Hbf

                    This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#12/50.9360/6.8378

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      S 19
                      10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20

                      Distance: 18.4km
                      Average speed: 53km/h

                      7 stops:
                      Frechen-Königsdorf
                      Köln-Weiden West
                      Lövenich
                      Köln-Müngersdorf Technologiepark
                      Köln-Ehrenfeld
                      Köln Hansaring
                      Köln Hbf

                      This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#12/50.9360/6.8378

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                      #17

                      #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 40 of 154
                      ICE 1020
                      12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51
                      DB Fernverkehr

                      Train type: AEG, ABB, Henschel, Krauss, Krupp, Siemens ICE 1, 2 power cars and 9 carriages
                      ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                      🚲: ⛔️
                      🦽: ✅ (needs lift on platform)
                      🛜: ✅
                      🍽️: ✅
                      🧳: 🙂
                      🧽: 🙂

                      🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 40 of 154
                        ICE 1020
                        12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51
                        DB Fernverkehr

                        Train type: AEG, ABB, Henschel, Krauss, Krupp, Siemens ICE 1, 2 power cars and 9 carriages
                        ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                        🚲: ⛔️
                        🦽: ✅ (needs lift on platform)
                        🛜: ✅
                        🍽️: ✅
                        🧳: 🙂
                        🧽: 🙂

                        🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                        #18

                        ICE 1020
                        12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51

                        Distance: 436.9km
                        Average speed: 119km/h

                        6 stops:
                        Düsseldorf Hbf
                        Duisburg Hbf
                        Essen Hbf
                        Münster(Westf)Hbf
                        Hamburg-Harburg
                        Hamburg Hbf

                        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#7/52.266/8.399

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          ICE 1020
                          12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51

                          Distance: 436.9km
                          Average speed: 119km/h

                          6 stops:
                          Düsseldorf Hbf
                          Duisburg Hbf
                          Essen Hbf
                          Münster(Westf)Hbf
                          Hamburg-Harburg
                          Hamburg Hbf

                          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#7/52.266/8.399

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                          #19

                          The southbound EuroNight 345 from Stockholm to Berlin is still more than 2 hours away from Hamburg is currently +733, so over 12 hours late

                          They are NOT taking it to Berlin, it will be serviced in Hamburg

                          And this train ought to be departing north as EN 346 with me on it from Hamburg at 22:03

                          What is going to happen I wonder? 🤔

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            The southbound EuroNight 345 from Stockholm to Berlin is still more than 2 hours away from Hamburg is currently +733, so over 12 hours late

                            They are NOT taking it to Berlin, it will be serviced in Hamburg

                            And this train ought to be departing north as EN 346 with me on it from Hamburg at 22:03

                            What is going to happen I wonder? 🤔

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                            #20

                            One of the most dangerous things you can carry in a railway station

                            This is S-Bahn so third rail, they might be ok. But one platform over it’s 15kV ⚡️

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                              One of the most dangerous things you can carry in a railway station

                              This is S-Bahn so third rail, they might be ok. But one platform over it’s 15kV ⚡️

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                              #21

                              Departure of the Hamburg-Stockholm EuroNight announced 90 mins delayed just 25 mins before the departure, after having been informed earlier by SJ that "an unknown delay was possible"

                              There's nothing in the SJ app, and DB also knows no more than the minimal info SJ is giving them

                              It's lousy, but it's what you'd expect of this operationally shoddy EuroNight train

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                Departure of the Hamburg-Stockholm EuroNight announced 90 mins delayed just 25 mins before the departure, after having been informed earlier by SJ that "an unknown delay was possible"

                                There's nothing in the SJ app, and DB also knows no more than the minimal info SJ is giving them

                                It's lousy, but it's what you'd expect of this operationally shoddy EuroNight train

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                                #22

                                And now 10 mins later the delay is reduced by 20 mins.

                                Do they know what they're doing, or are they making this up?

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                                  And now 10 mins later the delay is reduced by 20 mins.

                                  Do they know what they're doing, or are they making this up?

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                                  #23

                                  Current contingency: see when the train departs, and then get off it prematurely tomorrow morning, in Malmö

                                  X2000 Malmö-Stockholm takes between 4:20 and 4:35, the night train more than 6 hours (and if delayed anyway will just get delayed more)

                                  I just need to work out which X2000 it would be sensible to reserve...

                                  (Interrail means I can do this reasonably easily and for 75 SEK)

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                                    Current contingency: see when the train departs, and then get off it prematurely tomorrow morning, in Malmö

                                    X2000 Malmö-Stockholm takes between 4:20 and 4:35, the night train more than 6 hours (and if delayed anyway will just get delayed more)

                                    I just need to work out which X2000 it would be sensible to reserve...

                                    (Interrail means I can do this reasonably easily and for 75 SEK)

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                                    #24

                                    Ah

                                    If the SJ-RDC mess wasn’t enough, DB has now managed to clog up all the platforms at Hamburg Hbf with delayed ICEs. So if the EuroNight is trying to get in here it can’t.

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                                      Ah

                                      If the SJ-RDC mess wasn’t enough, DB has now managed to clog up all the platforms at Hamburg Hbf with delayed ICEs. So if the EuroNight is trying to get in here it can’t.

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                                      #25

                                      And we’ve had about a dozen automated announcements about the delay here on the platform, and the delay goes up 10 minutes every 10 minutes 🤷‍♂️

                                      Thank goodness I’m doing this on Interrail

                                      Buy a regular ticket for this and it’s a fortune

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        And we’ve had about a dozen automated announcements about the delay here on the platform, and the delay goes up 10 minutes every 10 minutes 🤷‍♂️

                                        Thank goodness I’m doing this on Interrail

                                        Buy a regular ticket for this and it’s a fortune

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                                        #26

                                        And some dude wrote in The Guardian a week ago that night trains were often poor. And now he’s living it himself 🤪 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/11/europe-was-promised-a-new-golden-age-of-the-night-train-why-are-we-still-waiting

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          And some dude wrote in The Guardian a week ago that night trains were often poor. And now he’s living it himself 🤪 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/11/europe-was-promised-a-new-golden-age-of-the-night-train-why-are-we-still-waiting

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                                          #27

                                          Every

                                          single

                                          time

                                          I

                                          go

                                          to

                                          Sweden

                                          the

                                          trains

                                          go

                                          wrong

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