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  3. Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Finale Day 8 - 16 June - Bruxelles- Köln - Hamburg, onto night train

Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Finale Day 8 - 16 June - Bruxelles- Köln - Hamburg, onto night train

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Waiting my train to Hamburg at Köln Hbf, one of Europe’s great stations. Today all is reasonably calm here, delays minimal.

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    #12

    On the point earlier in the thread about France's new fines for forgotten luggage, I think we should describe France has having a "passenger hostile railway" - as a term to describe how decisions are not taken in the passenger interest, the assumption of guilt, the hefty fines, the patronising announcements...

    Is there a way to adequately translate this adequately into French? Wdzt @remi @tomtom @raph_v ?

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      On the point earlier in the thread about France's new fines for forgotten luggage, I think we should describe France has having a "passenger hostile railway" - as a term to describe how decisions are not taken in the passenger interest, the assumption of guilt, the hefty fines, the patronising announcements...

      Is there a way to adequately translate this adequately into French? Wdzt @remi @tomtom @raph_v ?

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      #13

      #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 38 of 154
      RE 1 (26810)
      10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28
      National Express

      Train type: Siemens Desiro HC EMU, 2x 2 single deck and 2 double deck carriages
      ⚡️ (15kV ac)
      🚲: ✅
      🦽: ✅ (step free into single deck carriages)
      🛜: ✅
      🍽️: ⛔️
      🧳: 🙂
      🧽: 🙂

      🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 38 of 154
        RE 1 (26810)
        10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28
        National Express

        Train type: Siemens Desiro HC EMU, 2x 2 single deck and 2 double deck carriages
        ⚡️ (15kV ac)
        🚲: ✅
        🦽: ✅ (step free into single deck carriages)
        🛜: ✅
        🍽️: ⛔️
        🧳: 🙂
        🧽: 🙂

        🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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        #14

        RE 1 (26810)
        10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28

        Distance: 14.7km
        Average speed: 110km/h

        1 stops:
        Horrem

        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#13/50.9345/6.8162

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          RE 1 (26810)
          10:20 Köln Ehrenfeld - Horrem 10:28

          Distance: 14.7km
          Average speed: 110km/h

          1 stops:
          Horrem

          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#13/50.9345/6.8162

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          #15

          #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 39 of 154
          S 19
          10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20
          DB Regio AG NRW

          Train type: Adtranz, Alstom LHB, ABB, Bombardier 423 EMU, 2x 4 short carriages
          ⚡️ (15kV ac)
          🚲: ✅
          🦽: ✅ (step free, although not all trains on this line are)
          🛜: ❓(forgot to check, but I think only renovated trains have wifi and this wasn’t renovated?)
          🍽️: ⛔️
          🧳: 😐 (not the best design, door vestibules are more cramped than they need be)
          🧽: 🙂

          🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 39 of 154
            S 19
            10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20
            DB Regio AG NRW

            Train type: Adtranz, Alstom LHB, ABB, Bombardier 423 EMU, 2x 4 short carriages
            ⚡️ (15kV ac)
            🚲: ✅
            🦽: ✅ (step free, although not all trains on this line are)
            🛜: ❓(forgot to check, but I think only renovated trains have wifi and this wasn’t renovated?)
            🍽️: ⛔️
            🧳: 😐 (not the best design, door vestibules are more cramped than they need be)
            🧽: 🙂

            🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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            #16

            S 19
            10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20

            Distance: 18.4km
            Average speed: 53km/h

            7 stops:
            Frechen-Königsdorf
            Köln-Weiden West
            Lövenich
            Köln-Müngersdorf Technologiepark
            Köln-Ehrenfeld
            Köln Hansaring
            Köln Hbf

            This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#12/50.9360/6.8378

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              S 19
              10:59 Horrem - Köln Hbf 11:20

              Distance: 18.4km
              Average speed: 53km/h

              7 stops:
              Frechen-Königsdorf
              Köln-Weiden West
              Lövenich
              Köln-Müngersdorf Technologiepark
              Köln-Ehrenfeld
              Köln Hansaring
              Köln Hbf

              This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#12/50.9360/6.8378

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              #17

              #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 40 of 154
              ICE 1020
              12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51
              DB Fernverkehr

              Train type: AEG, ABB, Henschel, Krauss, Krupp, Siemens ICE 1, 2 power cars and 9 carriages
              ⚡️ (15kV ac)
              🚲: ⛔️
              🦽: ✅ (needs lift on platform)
              🛜: ✅
              🍽️: ✅
              🧳: 🙂
              🧽: 🙂

              🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 40 of 154
                ICE 1020
                12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51
                DB Fernverkehr

                Train type: AEG, ABB, Henschel, Krauss, Krupp, Siemens ICE 1, 2 power cars and 9 carriages
                ⚡️ (15kV ac)
                🚲: ⛔️
                🦽: ✅ (needs lift on platform)
                🛜: ✅
                🍽️: ✅
                🧳: 🙂
                🧽: 🙂

                🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                #18

                ICE 1020
                12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51

                Distance: 436.9km
                Average speed: 119km/h

                6 stops:
                Düsseldorf Hbf
                Duisburg Hbf
                Essen Hbf
                Münster(Westf)Hbf
                Hamburg-Harburg
                Hamburg Hbf

                This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#7/52.266/8.399

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  ICE 1020
                  12:11 Köln Hbf - Hamburg Hbf 15:51

                  Distance: 436.9km
                  Average speed: 119km/h

                  6 stops:
                  Düsseldorf Hbf
                  Duisburg Hbf
                  Essen Hbf
                  Münster(Westf)Hbf
                  Hamburg-Harburg
                  Hamburg Hbf

                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#7/52.266/8.399

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                  #19

                  The southbound EuroNight 345 from Stockholm to Berlin is still more than 2 hours away from Hamburg is currently +733, so over 12 hours late

                  They are NOT taking it to Berlin, it will be serviced in Hamburg

                  And this train ought to be departing north as EN 346 with me on it from Hamburg at 22:03

                  What is going to happen I wonder? 🤔

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    The southbound EuroNight 345 from Stockholm to Berlin is still more than 2 hours away from Hamburg is currently +733, so over 12 hours late

                    They are NOT taking it to Berlin, it will be serviced in Hamburg

                    And this train ought to be departing north as EN 346 with me on it from Hamburg at 22:03

                    What is going to happen I wonder? 🤔

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                    #20

                    One of the most dangerous things you can carry in a railway station

                    This is S-Bahn so third rail, they might be ok. But one platform over it’s 15kV ⚡️

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      One of the most dangerous things you can carry in a railway station

                      This is S-Bahn so third rail, they might be ok. But one platform over it’s 15kV ⚡️

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                      #21

                      Departure of the Hamburg-Stockholm EuroNight announced 90 mins delayed just 25 mins before the departure, after having been informed earlier by SJ that "an unknown delay was possible"

                      There's nothing in the SJ app, and DB also knows no more than the minimal info SJ is giving them

                      It's lousy, but it's what you'd expect of this operationally shoddy EuroNight train

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        Departure of the Hamburg-Stockholm EuroNight announced 90 mins delayed just 25 mins before the departure, after having been informed earlier by SJ that "an unknown delay was possible"

                        There's nothing in the SJ app, and DB also knows no more than the minimal info SJ is giving them

                        It's lousy, but it's what you'd expect of this operationally shoddy EuroNight train

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                        #22

                        And now 10 mins later the delay is reduced by 20 mins.

                        Do they know what they're doing, or are they making this up?

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          And now 10 mins later the delay is reduced by 20 mins.

                          Do they know what they're doing, or are they making this up?

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                          #23

                          Current contingency: see when the train departs, and then get off it prematurely tomorrow morning, in Malmö

                          X2000 Malmö-Stockholm takes between 4:20 and 4:35, the night train more than 6 hours (and if delayed anyway will just get delayed more)

                          I just need to work out which X2000 it would be sensible to reserve...

                          (Interrail means I can do this reasonably easily and for 75 SEK)

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                            Current contingency: see when the train departs, and then get off it prematurely tomorrow morning, in Malmö

                            X2000 Malmö-Stockholm takes between 4:20 and 4:35, the night train more than 6 hours (and if delayed anyway will just get delayed more)

                            I just need to work out which X2000 it would be sensible to reserve...

                            (Interrail means I can do this reasonably easily and for 75 SEK)

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                            #24

                            Ah

                            If the SJ-RDC mess wasn’t enough, DB has now managed to clog up all the platforms at Hamburg Hbf with delayed ICEs. So if the EuroNight is trying to get in here it can’t.

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                              Ah

                              If the SJ-RDC mess wasn’t enough, DB has now managed to clog up all the platforms at Hamburg Hbf with delayed ICEs. So if the EuroNight is trying to get in here it can’t.

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                              #25

                              And we’ve had about a dozen automated announcements about the delay here on the platform, and the delay goes up 10 minutes every 10 minutes 🤷‍♂️

                              Thank goodness I’m doing this on Interrail

                              Buy a regular ticket for this and it’s a fortune

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                And we’ve had about a dozen automated announcements about the delay here on the platform, and the delay goes up 10 minutes every 10 minutes 🤷‍♂️

                                Thank goodness I’m doing this on Interrail

                                Buy a regular ticket for this and it’s a fortune

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                                #26

                                And some dude wrote in The Guardian a week ago that night trains were often poor. And now he’s living it himself 🤪 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/11/europe-was-promised-a-new-golden-age-of-the-night-train-why-are-we-still-waiting

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  And some dude wrote in The Guardian a week ago that night trains were often poor. And now he’s living it himself 🤪 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/11/europe-was-promised-a-new-golden-age-of-the-night-train-why-are-we-still-waiting

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                                  #27

                                  Every

                                  single

                                  time

                                  I

                                  go

                                  to

                                  Sweden

                                  the

                                  trains

                                  go

                                  wrong

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    Every

                                    single

                                    time

                                    I

                                    go

                                    to

                                    Sweden

                                    the

                                    trains

                                    go

                                    wrong

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                                    #28

                                    Here’s today’s summary video

                                    https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/rKvwC3itEDb3DYxTkK3E5F

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                                      Here’s today’s summary video

                                      https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/rKvwC3itEDb3DYxTkK3E5F

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                                      #29

                                      #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 41 of 154
                                      EN 346
                                      22:03 Hamburg Hbf - Malmö C 04:01 (arrived +150)
                                      SJ, RDC

                                      Train type: ADTranz 101, followed by a Siemens Vectron, 8 carriages (inc. couchettes & sleeping cars)
                                      ⚡️ (15kV ac, 25kV ac, 15kV ac)
                                      🚲: ⛔️
                                      🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                                      🛜: ⛔️
                                      🍽️: ✅ (at least there's breakfast)
                                      🧳: 😐 (very narrow doors, corridors, OK once in)
                                      🧽: 😐 (ok inside, but grimy outside, worn)

                                      🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs vary depending on class of accommodation)

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                                        #CrossBorderRail Finale Train 41 of 154
                                        EN 346
                                        22:03 Hamburg Hbf - Malmö C 04:01 (arrived +150)
                                        SJ, RDC

                                        Train type: ADTranz 101, followed by a Siemens Vectron, 8 carriages (inc. couchettes & sleeping cars)
                                        ⚡️ (15kV ac, 25kV ac, 15kV ac)
                                        🚲: ⛔️
                                        🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                                        🛜: ⛔️
                                        🍽️: ✅ (at least there's breakfast)
                                        🧳: 😐 (very narrow doors, corridors, OK once in)
                                        🧽: 😐 (ok inside, but grimy outside, worn)

                                        🎫 Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs vary depending on class of accommodation)

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                                        #30

                                        EN 346
                                        22:03 Hamburg Hbf - Malmö C 04:01

                                        Distance: 544.9km
                                        Average speed: 91km/h

                                        3 stops:
                                        Padborg st
                                        Koebenhavns Lufthavn st
                                        Malmö Central

                                        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#8/54.821/11.148

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          EN 346
                                          22:03 Hamburg Hbf - Malmö C 04:01

                                          Distance: 544.9km
                                          Average speed: 91km/h

                                          3 stops:
                                          Padborg st
                                          Koebenhavns Lufthavn st
                                          Malmö Central

                                          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-finale_1163738#8/54.821/11.148

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                                          #31

                                          Comedy now

                                          The window latch is somehow broken so the window won’t close. And the window blind is stuck open

                                          It’s 1am

                                          I’m pretty good at fixing things. But this? 🤔

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