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"Russia’s economy minister admits ‘reserves have largely been used up’ while communist lawmaker warns of 1917-style revolution as #GDP shrinks"

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @retech @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth

    what?

    where?

    what the fuck is going on

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    #45

    @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth The part I referenced: "...so out did canvassing the other day, a lady said I don't need your literature and we replied with its for the primaries she said I always vote... "

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    • retech@corteximplant.comR retech@corteximplant.com

      @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth The part I referenced: "...so out did canvassing the other day, a lady said I don't need your literature and we replied with its for the primaries she said I always vote... "

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      #46

      @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth I just deleted what I said. It will only muddy the waters.

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      • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

        @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

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        #47

        @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

        And just because a country calls itself, socialist, or democratic, or even a republic, does not mean it is one.

        (and beware f those that think that being a republic and a democracy are mutually exclusive)

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        • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

          @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

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          #48

          @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

          "Because you know you will survive"

          most of those cosplaying revolutionary will not survive a real revolution

          furthermore, revolutions are not bastions of ideological purity. whoever wins could be worse. even if by some miracle something better does win, the new regime will still deal with impotent purists whining "but i want perfect, waah"

          toxic idealists who bizarrely defer to revolution are excuse making for their own uselessness

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          • retech@corteximplant.comR retech@corteximplant.com

            @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth I just deleted what I said. It will only muddy the waters.

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            #49

            @retech @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth

            ok but you said women, not the woman

            you should make your point in a general fashion. because you're going to get accused of misogyny, and that would be a fair accusation because of your wording

            and you didn't have to delete it, just remove the unnecessary gendering

            it was really bizarre

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

              "Because you know you will survive"

              most of those cosplaying revolutionary will not survive a real revolution

              furthermore, revolutions are not bastions of ideological purity. whoever wins could be worse. even if by some miracle something better does win, the new regime will still deal with impotent purists whining "but i want perfect, waah"

              toxic idealists who bizarrely defer to revolution are excuse making for their own uselessness

              farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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              #50

              @benroyce @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "the new regime will still deal with impotent purists whining "but i want perfect, waah" jajajajaja, so true.

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              • the5thcolumnist@ottawa.placeT the5thcolumnist@ottawa.place

                @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                And just because a country calls itself, socialist, or democratic, or even a republic, does not mean it is one.

                (and beware f those that think that being a republic and a democracy are mutually exclusive)

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                #51

                @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is NOT democratic

                the National Socialist German Workers' Party was NOT socialist

                etc

                people forget:

                1. the historical evolution of a country or party
                2. ideological terms are complex with muddy contradictory meanings
                3. that propaganda will paint an ideological term in an unfair light

                then people will spend twenty years arguing about fucking terminology and forget real issues

                bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB the_wub@mastodon.socialT 2 Replies Last reply
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                • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                  @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

                  a_minion@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #52

                  @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                  There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

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                  • a_minion@mastodon.socialA a_minion@mastodon.social

                    @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                    There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

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                    #53

                    @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "start at the bottom & ask the people." That is voting. Unfortunately a whole lot of people shrug and say "I dunno." or "I don't care." A whole lot more are manipulated into voting against their own interests, and another majority don't understand that, in a democracy, nobody gets everything thery want, so they stay home and bitch instead of doing the work.

                    clutha@mastodon.scotC a_minion@mastodon.socialA 2 Replies Last reply
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                    • a_minion@mastodon.socialA a_minion@mastodon.social

                      @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                      There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

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                      #54

                      @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I would also say that communism, socialism and capitalism are economic constructs, not political. Democracy and authoritarianism and fascism are political constructs.

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                      • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                        @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I would also say that communism, socialism and capitalism are economic constructs, not political. Democracy and authoritarianism and fascism are political constructs.

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                        #55

                        @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                        Won't argue but they get so crossed up that it seems they are all trying to do the same things. No matter what kind of Political theory there is an attached economic platform. They go hand in hand. The KISS principle.

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                          the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is NOT democratic

                          the National Socialist German Workers' Party was NOT socialist

                          etc

                          people forget:

                          1. the historical evolution of a country or party
                          2. ideological terms are complex with muddy contradictory meanings
                          3. that propaganda will paint an ideological term in an unfair light

                          then people will spend twenty years arguing about fucking terminology and forget real issues

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                          #56

                          @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth people (especially Americans) are generally not smart, and only believe what talking heads on networks owned by a corrupt billionaire tell them.

                          What's an Americans average reading comprehension level again, 5th grade? Yeah, we are cooked. No wonder we are headed for full on fascism.

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                          • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                            @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "start at the bottom & ask the people." That is voting. Unfortunately a whole lot of people shrug and say "I dunno." or "I don't care." A whole lot more are manipulated into voting against their own interests, and another majority don't understand that, in a democracy, nobody gets everything thery want, so they stay home and bitch instead of doing the work.

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                            #57

                            @farbel @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth
                            I campaigned strongly during 2014. If one reply sickened me it was 20 year olds declaring ’I don’t do politics’.
                            I wanted to scream at times ‘do you know how effin government works?’

                            bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB benroyce@mastodon.socialB lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lionelb@expressional.socialL 4 Replies Last reply
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                            • bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club

                              @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth people (especially Americans) are generally not smart, and only believe what talking heads on networks owned by a corrupt billionaire tell them.

                              What's an Americans average reading comprehension level again, 5th grade? Yeah, we are cooked. No wonder we are headed for full on fascism.

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                              #58

                              @bridgeenjoyer @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                              i agree except with your conclusion

                              cynicism is self-fulfilling prophecy

                              we fight

                              we always fight

                              and any argument against fighting, such as cynicism, only aids fascism

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @bridgeenjoyer @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                i agree except with your conclusion

                                cynicism is self-fulfilling prophecy

                                we fight

                                we always fight

                                and any argument against fighting, such as cynicism, only aids fascism

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                                #59

                                @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I'd like to agree ; but I'm really not convincing anyone, just annoying my friends who will further ignore everything I say.

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                                • clutha@mastodon.scotC clutha@mastodon.scot

                                  @farbel @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth
                                  I campaigned strongly during 2014. If one reply sickened me it was 20 year olds declaring ’I don’t do politics’.
                                  I wanted to scream at times ‘do you know how effin government works?’

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                                  #60

                                  @Clutha @farbel @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth they dont do politics until it affects them.

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                                  • a_minion@mastodon.socialA a_minion@mastodon.social

                                    @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                    There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

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                                    #61

                                    @A_Minion @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth
                                    Churchill was credited with declaring ’democracy is the least worst system of governance’
                                    Our nightshift offshore discussion group favoured a benign dictatorship 🤔

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                                    • clutha@mastodon.scotC clutha@mastodon.scot

                                      @farbel @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth
                                      I campaigned strongly during 2014. If one reply sickened me it was 20 year olds declaring ’I don’t do politics’.
                                      I wanted to scream at times ‘do you know how effin government works?’

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                                      #62

                                      @Clutha @farbel @A_Minion @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                      the answer to

                                      "i don't do politics"

                                      is simple:

                                      "but politics does you

                                      so you better engage, or you will be engaged with on the chosen terms of bigot fascist ghouls who got in power because you ignored politics"

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                                      • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                                        @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "start at the bottom & ask the people." That is voting. Unfortunately a whole lot of people shrug and say "I dunno." or "I don't care." A whole lot more are manipulated into voting against their own interests, and another majority don't understand that, in a democracy, nobody gets everything thery want, so they stay home and bitch instead of doing the work.

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                                        #63

                                        @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                        Yup, so that is why Ben and several others are up here is to push, beg, convince, cajole, intimidate, scream to get people to vote

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                                        • bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club

                                          @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I'd like to agree ; but I'm really not convincing anyone, just annoying my friends who will further ignore everything I say.

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                                          #64

                                          @bridgeenjoyer @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                          i'll give you my brutally honest response:

                                          fuck your friends, your friends fucking suck. whiny useless cynics suck

                                          find new friends

                                          really. fuck entitled lumps

                                          i know that's easy for me to say. but empty cynics will only grind your gears in the end, so a soft retreat at least is coming anyways

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