Wow, such democracy.
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@aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?
@lyrial See alt text.
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@aral yeah, I think it's a bit more nuanced in practice. They've had a similar law on the books for years, from my understanding, and it's just a rubber-stamp. They officially need to ask for permission, and because there is no active war the Bundeswehr officially has to give them permission
Ukraine has a similar law, and because they are at war they won't give permission
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@aral
Under a capitalist society, freedom of movement can only refer to the movement of capital, and by extension, maybe, goods.But never people.
And since now Western Empire sees irregular migration as a form of hybrid warfare, it is even worse.
It is not even "you can't move", it is "your movement is an act of war."
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@aral@mastodon.ar.al What's the source for this?
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@aral If you asked German men of that age, I’d be surprised if even one in tens of thousands knew this.
@ujay68 @aral the law was enacted in January, but the media only started to report it a couple of days ago. No one has read the new law. I doubt that in parliament many have read it. Some claim that it is in violation of EU law, but I am not really sure.
What we need is a man between 17 and 45 who wants to leave the country for more than 3 months, for example a student.
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This is a bog standard thing in countries where there is compulsory military service
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
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@aral nice. Finland doesn't have that and we have a long border with Russia and Russian army bases just behind the border.
Of the fighting age? What's the fighting age in Germany 18-45?
Finland absolutely does have that.
https://um.fi/passport-application-by-persons-liable-for-military-service
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@aral if you bother to read the actual law, you will read
a) The permission will be granted in periods of non-mandatory service (read as: atm)
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@aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
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@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.
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@HeptaSean You’re wrong. Before the beginning of this year, this was only necessary in times of military tension or defence. Now the permission is necessary at all times.
@Fnordinger No, _you_ are wrong. The restriction to tension and defence was only _introduced_ in 2011. For most of us older people, the exact same rule was in place the whole time up until 2011. @prefec2 @lyrial @aral
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@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
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@aral I'm genuinely beginning to wonder if this applies to me, I've been residing in another country for more than five years but I still have German citizenship.
@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:
"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."
§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten." -
@aral step into good direction. Have it in 1938, history would look much better.
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@anarchiv @aral it probably does not apply to anyone who doesn't have permanent residency in Germany. The requirement is limited by this:
"ohne dass die Voraussetzungen des § 1 Absatz 2 bereits vorliegen."
§1 Abs. 2 WPflG:
"Die Wehrpflicht ruht, solange Wehrpflichtige ihren ständigen Aufenthalt und ihre Lebensgrundlage außerhalb der Bundesrepublik Deutschland haben, wenn Tatsachen die Annahme rechtfertigen, dass sie beabsichtigen, ihren ständigen Aufenthalt im Ausland beizubehalten." -
@aral i REALLY wonder why this is now so a big thing. The EXACT same rule applied up until 2011. so 15 years later introducing it back is suddenly the end of the world?
Also there are no fines/penalties specified if you don't do it...@bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.
In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…
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@mvsde @lyrial @aral Read the complete Text please.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/wehrpflg/BJNR006510956.html
"Die §§ 3 bis 52 gelten im Spannungs- oder Verteidigungsfall."
"Sections 3 to 52 apply in the event of tension or defense."
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@bws @aral Well, yes and no. The old rule only applied when the defense state had been declared, now it applies always. There was a rule that if you were eligible for service that you had to notify that you were moving abroad — but that was just that, a notification, not seeking permission.
In any case not seeking permission does not carry a punishment with it, it seems. So…
