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  3. computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program themthen in the late 70s, you could finally program them!

computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program themthen in the late 70s, you could finally program them!

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  • sounddrill@infosec.exchangeS sounddrill@infosec.exchange

    @sophia81 @foone fun fact, you can run turbo C++ through the web dosbox port, if you wanna relive the memories

    Here's a toy deployment https://turboc.pages.dev

    Just a heads up, firefox has a couple of keys wrongly mapped

    Some colleges in my country still make you use TurboC++ ig

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    #30

    @sounddrill @sophia81

    fun fact: I have a qemu VM to automate running Turbo C++ to compile one of my programs

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    • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

      @dazzr Nah: "slop" is focusing on the quality and quantity of AI content (and for a bonus, it's also based on an antisemitic meme! yay!).
      even if AI stuff was rare and of perfect quality, my argument would still be valid.

      my point is the paywall. You don't want a paywall on your tools, good or bad.

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      #31

      @foone@digipres.club

      and for a bonus, it’s also based on an antisemitic meme! yay!

      wait what???

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      • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

        computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
        then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
        but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
        by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!

        and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.

        DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP

        brouhaha@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #32

        @foone
        Companies pushing so-called "AI":

        "We'll write bad code for you, so you don't have to pay a programmer to do it! And we'll only charge you 3x what you would have to.pay a programmer to write good code!"

        Um, no thank you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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        • sounddrill@infosec.exchangeS sounddrill@infosec.exchange

          @sophia81 @foone fun fact, you can run turbo C++ through the web dosbox port, if you wanna relive the memories

          Here's a toy deployment https://turboc.pages.dev

          Just a heads up, firefox has a couple of keys wrongly mapped

          Some colleges in my country still make you use TurboC++ ig

          sophia81@icosahedron.websiteS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #33

          @sounddrill
          I am deeply sorry for your academic trauma 🫂

          @foone

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          • betarays@p.changeme.fr.eu.orgB betarays@p.changeme.fr.eu.org

            @foone@digipres.club

            and for a bonus, it’s also based on an antisemitic meme! yay!

            wait what???

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            #34

            @BetaRays @foone This was discussed on https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73708 - people there generally seemed to think it was more likely that it came directly from the "low-quality food for pigs" sense rather than from the antisemitic meme, though it's pretty hard to prove either way.

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            • cjwatson@mastodon.ieC cjwatson@mastodon.ie

              @BetaRays @foone This was discussed on https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=73708 - people there generally seemed to think it was more likely that it came directly from the "low-quality food for pigs" sense rather than from the antisemitic meme, though it's pretty hard to prove either way.

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              #35
              @cjwatson @foone That’s what I assumed too, though I’m not a native English speaker.
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              • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
                then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
                but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
                by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!

                and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.

                DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP

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                #36

                @foone what if programming but it was like an MTG draft

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                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                  go ask anyone, in any field, if it's a good thing that their work is held behind one company's paywall.

                  See how that works for them.

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                  #37

                  @foone sharecropping our own brains we used to call it

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                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                    @sounddrill @sophia81

                    fun fact: I have a qemu VM to automate running Turbo C++ to compile one of my programs

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                    #38

                    @foone @sophia81 I think I have something that might interest you

                    https://github.com/uditkarode/ucc

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                    • bersl2@furry.engineerB bersl2@furry.engineer

                      @foone "Oh, if they charge too much, I can just use a competitor."

                      *rolls eyes*

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                      #39

                      @bersl2 @foone How's that going for oil products, like diesel? You know, the most widely used fuel we all have to use that should have tons of competition driving the price down because it's so ubiquitous?

                      No market is big enough to avoid price fixing.

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                      • svengeier@mathstodon.xyzS svengeier@mathstodon.xyz

                        @foone
                        Programming is only "free" if your time is worthless.

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                        #40

                        @SvenGeier

                        I do not understand your comment.

                        What makes ones time worthless? Because I really can't think of examples.

                        (Thanks in advance for clarifying. 🙂 )

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                        • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                          I'm just saying, I've been doing this a long time, and I've seen both sides of the "programming is free!" and "programming is expensive :(" coin, so I can assure you, you REALLY want to stay on the "free" side.

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                          #41

                          @foone Almost everything I can do and know is the result of refusing to pay for $something.

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                          • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                            computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
                            then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
                            but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
                            by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!

                            and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.

                            DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP

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                            #42

                            @foone
                            It was so wonderful having a CRT based editor instead of punching cards to run on George (guarded by acolytes).
                            I did buy Modula-2 compilers twice. My boss paid for VB6 enterprise. The M2 programs compiled for NT 3.51 do still run on Win10. I did GUI for XP in VB6 and the real code as M2 DLLS. Most VB6 doesn't work on 64 bit Win7 or Win10. Things like serial port OCX.
                            The Cloud is just like the 1960s, but with faster & less secure connections. They can keep it.

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                            • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                              computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
                              then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
                              but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
                              by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!

                              and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.

                              DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP

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                              #43

                              @foone The free and local LLMs are perfectly usable for development, admin and cybersec work. All you need is a regular gaming graphics card or a computer with unified memory for them to work well.

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                              • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                I'm just saying, I've been doing this a long time, and I've seen both sides of the "programming is free!" and "programming is expensive :(" coin, so I can assure you, you REALLY want to stay on the "free" side.

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                                #44

                                @foone well said

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                                • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                  computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
                                  then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
                                  but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
                                  by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!

                                  and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.

                                  DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP

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                                  #45

                                  @foone since the mid 80s I am paid to do work with computers but I am a shitty programmer. now I am an archivist. the arrival of the LLMs enabled me to be creative with software. I think of something and the machine does it for me. I know mine is not the common experience but it also exists.

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                                  • foone@digipres.clubF foone@digipres.club

                                    computers were invented in the *mumblties* and you had to pay to program them
                                    then in the late 70s, you could finally program them! for free! you just had to own a microcomputer! yay
                                    but then in the 80s and 90s you had to buy compilers, which were expensive
                                    by with the 2000s, rapidly compilers and interpreters became free again. anyone could program, for free!

                                    and then in the 2020s someone invented "programming but you have to pay", again.

                                    DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP

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                                    #46

                                    @foone oh the ai bubble bust is coming soon enough at this rate...

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