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  3. Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims.

Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims.

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  • patrickoldhiker@ohai.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
    patrickoldhiker@ohai.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
    patrickoldhiker@ohai.social
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    #4

    @Dangerous_beans @baldur I have just learned that my instance, ohai.social, does. Sounds like I should be happy about that.

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    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

      Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

      baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
      baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

      https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

      The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

      baldur@toot.cafeB cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC goulien@mastodon.socialG 3 Replies Last reply
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      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

        Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

        skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
        skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
        skjeggtroll@mastodon.online
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        #6

        @baldur

        Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

        baldur@toot.cafeB ozzelot@mstdn.socialO 2 Replies Last reply
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        • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

          @baldur

          Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

          baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
          baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
          baldur@toot.cafe
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          #7

          @skjeggtroll 😆

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          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

            Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

            https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

            The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

            baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
            baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
            baldur@toot.cafe
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            #8

            My "lived experience" is that your shit stinks.

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              unkx@icosahedron.website
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              #9

              @Dangerous_beans @baldur of course it’s a racist shit with a pepe profile picture. I had view this thread in a browser window where i’m not logged in to see it, so i know i’m on an excellent instance that blocks those kinds of things.

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              • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

                @baldur

                Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

                ozzelot@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
                ozzelot@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
                ozzelot@mstdn.social
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                #10

                @skjeggtroll
                ooh that would be handy
                @baldur

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                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                  Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

                  starkrg@myside-yourside.netS This user is from outside of this forum
                  starkrg@myside-yourside.netS This user is from outside of this forum
                  starkrg@myside-yourside.net
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                  #11

                  @baldur There is a place for lived experience, but it's *way* after actual evidence.

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                  • starkrg@myside-yourside.netS starkrg@myside-yourside.net

                    @baldur There is a place for lived experience, but it's *way* after actual evidence.

                    baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
                    baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @StarkRG Exactly.

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                    • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                      Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

                      fedithom@social.saarlandF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #13

                      @baldur

                      Thanks for that. Valuable additions to my block list 🙂

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                      • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                        @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                        shapr@recurse.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        shapr@recurse.social
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                        #14

                        @bremner @baldur is that the original micro aggression?

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                        • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                          @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                          baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          baldur@toot.cafe
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                          #15

                          @bremner 😆

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                          • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                            Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

                            https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

                            The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

                            cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
                            cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
                            cyberquixote@infosec.exchange
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                            #16

                            @baldur the problem with lived experience is it never scales symmetrically

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                            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                              Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

                              linhead@d-64.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                              linhead@d-64.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
                              linhead@d-64.social
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                              #17

                              @baldur Anectdotic evidence is no evidence at all.

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                              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

                                petko@social.petko.meP This user is from outside of this forum
                                petko@social.petko.meP This user is from outside of this forum
                                petko@social.petko.me
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                                #18

                                @baldur each time this happens the defederation lists get richer.

                                Edit: wow, I had 53 accounts stored from this one nazi instance... Good riddance!

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                                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                  Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

                                  trisweb@m.trisweb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  trisweb@m.trisweb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #19

                                  @baldur it’s also an entirely valid statement, enabling minority communities to express their struggle with racism and marginalization.

                                  The fact that the pro-AI community, and frankly also the anti-vaxxers, have co-opted it is an insult to its origins. It’s at the same time making fun of the minority communities who used it as a plea for empathy and understanding, and stealing its power and trying to co-opt it to manipulate and influence. All in all reprehensible.

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                                  • lucillevalentine@toad.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    lucillevalentine@toad.social
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                                    #20

                                    @EvolLove @baldur sorry for deleting my response. I know it's not usually done. But I just had a look at your evollove profile and nearly vomited.

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                                    • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                      @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                                      napalousa@pagan.plusN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      napalousa@pagan.plusN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      napalousa@pagan.plus
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                                      #21

                                      @bremner @baldur 👏 😆

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                                      • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                        @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                                        edbruce@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        edbruce@infosec.exchange
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                                        #22

                                        @bremner @baldur

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                                        • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                          @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                                          kittyboy77@tech.lgbtK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          kittyboy77@tech.lgbt
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                                          #23

                                          @bremner @baldur I was having a miserable day until I saw this, thank you for making it a bit brighter

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