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  3. Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims.

Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims.

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  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

    Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

    bremner@mathstodon.xyzB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

    shapr@recurse.socialS baldur@toot.cafeB napalousa@pagan.plusN edbruce@infosec.exchangeE kittyboy77@tech.lgbtK 5 Replies Last reply
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    • patrickoldhiker@ohai.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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      #4

      @Dangerous_beans @baldur I have just learned that my instance, ohai.social, does. Sounds like I should be happy about that.

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      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

        Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

        baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

        https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

        The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

        baldur@toot.cafeB cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC goulien@mastodon.socialG 3 Replies Last reply
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        • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

          Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

          skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #6

          @baldur

          Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

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          • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

            @baldur

            Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

            baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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            #7

            @skjeggtroll 😆

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            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

              Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

              https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

              The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

              baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #8

              My "lived experience" is that your shit stinks.

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                #9

                @Dangerous_beans @baldur of course it’s a racist shit with a pepe profile picture. I had view this thread in a browser window where i’m not logged in to see it, so i know i’m on an excellent instance that blocks those kinds of things.

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                • skjeggtroll@mastodon.onlineS skjeggtroll@mastodon.online

                  @baldur

                  Also, "lived experience" as opposed to what? Experiences from the year you spent dead for tax purposes?

                  ozzelot@mstdn.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #10

                  @skjeggtroll
                  ooh that would be handy
                  @baldur

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                  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                    Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

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                    #11

                    @baldur There is a place for lived experience, but it's *way* after actual evidence.

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                    • starkrg@myside-yourside.netS starkrg@myside-yourside.net

                      @baldur There is a place for lived experience, but it's *way* after actual evidence.

                      baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #12

                      @StarkRG Exactly.

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                      • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                        Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

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                        #13

                        @baldur

                        Thanks for that. Valuable additions to my block list 🙂

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                        • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                          @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                          shapr@recurse.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #14

                          @bremner @baldur is that the original micro aggression?

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                          • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                            @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                            baldur@toot.cafeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #15

                            @bremner 😆

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                            • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                              Also, I warned about exactly this – that "AI" fans risked getting pulled into the same kind of mindset and false ideas as naturopaths and homeopaths – over a year ago under the heading "Self-experimenting with psychological hazards is always a bad idea"

                              https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2025/trusting-your-own-judgement-on-ai/#self-experimenting-with-psychological-hazards-is-always-a-bad-idea

                              The usual suspects responded with something along the lines of "well that makes me a proud naturopath"

                              cyberquixote@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #16

                              @baldur the problem with lived experience is it never scales symmetrically

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                              • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

                                linhead@d-64.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #17

                                @baldur Anectdotic evidence is no evidence at all.

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                                • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                  Did not expect this to draw out the antivaxx crowd, but I should have. What a world we live in.

                                  petko@social.petko.meP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #18

                                  @baldur each time this happens the defederation lists get richer.

                                  Edit: wow, I had 53 accounts stored from this one nazi instance... Good riddance!

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                                  • baldur@toot.cafeB baldur@toot.cafe

                                    Citing “lived experience” as evidence something works is literally the tactic of homeopaths and antivaxxers when confronted by large-scale or structured studies disproving their claims. That this now seems to be the go-to argument of the pro-“AI” crowd is a huge red flag.

                                    trisweb@m.trisweb.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #19

                                    @baldur it’s also an entirely valid statement, enabling minority communities to express their struggle with racism and marginalization.

                                    The fact that the pro-AI community, and frankly also the anti-vaxxers, have co-opted it is an insult to its origins. It’s at the same time making fun of the minority communities who used it as a plea for empathy and understanding, and stealing its power and trying to co-opt it to manipulate and influence. All in all reprehensible.

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                                    • lucillevalentine@toad.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #20

                                      @EvolLove @baldur sorry for deleting my response. I know it's not usually done. But I just had a look at your evollove profile and nearly vomited.

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                                      • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                        @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                                        napalousa@pagan.plusN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #21

                                        @bremner @baldur 👏 😆

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                                        • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

                                          @baldur homeopaths are attacking you too, it's just in very small amounts.

                                          edbruce@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #22

                                          @bremner @baldur

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