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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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    #58

    @emilymbender yes finding human pronouns a misfit. "It" nearly works but animals can be it. I'm experimenting with ko/kör (2nd) and zo/ze/zy (1st), so I have standing instructions for the LLM to produce e.g. "let ze generate this", "Zo generated that" and I respond chance kor approach. They are reminiscent to me of mathematical terms. Just a personal experiment.

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    • jeffcampo@mastodon.socialJ jeffcampo@mastodon.social

      @emilymbender also things like "predictive [text] slot-machine" have come up

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      #59

      @jeffcampo @emilymbender

      I am _so_ going to use "predictive [text] slot-machine"

      In Spain we call slot machines "tragaperras" which translates roughly to "coin swallowers".

      I think it also fits.

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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        #60

        @emilymbender
        You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator.

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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          #61

          @emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.

          I've been struggling with exactly this

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          • toadjaune@hostux.socialT toadjaune@hostux.social

            @emilymbender now I so want the same resource in French.

            I've been struggling with exactly this

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            #62

            @toadjaune Je crois que les mêmes stratégies doivent fonctionner assez bien.

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            • kevinashworth@mastodon.socialK kevinashworth@mastodon.social

              @emilymbender
              You had me at probabilistic, unverified software manipulator.

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              #63

              @kevinashworth PUSMic FTW!

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                #64

                @emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?

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                • strange_new_words@tenforward.socialS strange_new_words@tenforward.social

                  @emilymbender I did an AI training yesterday and the trainer referred to his various Copilot agents as "he" and "she." Would that be considered at all anthropomorphizing language?

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                  #65

                  @strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    @strange_new_words yes, as described in the linked post under names and pronouns.

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                    #66

                    @emilymbender Yes, I'm reading it now. Stupid me for assuming anything would be too flagrant to be included.

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                    • iamnotu@mastodon.socialI iamnotu@mastodon.social

                      @emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets

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                      #67

                      @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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                      • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

                        @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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                        #68

                        @kelson @emilymbender I've been calling my computer names for decades now

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                          #69

                          @emilymbender "synthetic text extruding machine" is a mouthful, but is also very funny yet very fitting

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                          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                            Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                            https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                            #70

                            @emilymbender
                            Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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                            • imprinted@mastodon.unoI imprinted@mastodon.uno

                              @emilymbender
                              Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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                              #71

                              @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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                                #72

                                @emilymbender
                                I read it and I agree with what you wrote. I'm saying that if we stick to the LLM definition, automatically there is no intelligence. But I'm no expert.

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                                • laslab@waag.socialL laslab@waag.social

                                  @martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
                                  Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup.

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                                  #73

                                  @laslab @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork

                                  > factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right

                                  But that is the case, even if only by accident!

                                  No, my reservation is that it suggests a formal error condition, like zerodivide or floating-point overflow, when in reality it is just a variant of normal operation. You cannot even know it happened until you, as a human, introduce external information...

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                    #74

                                    @emilymbender

                                    Super interesting topic, thank you. For wider adoption I think it would be desirable to find alternatives that are also neutral in their sentiment. I spent some time thinking about "agentic AI" where the proposed alternative was "probabilistic, unverified software manipulator" which I think is very far from neutral. What do you think about "language-guided iterative solver"?

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                                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                      #75

                                      @emilymbender As we used to say, 'Knowledge wants to be free! But maybe it does not want to be anthropomorphized'

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                        #76

                                        @emilymbender

                                        « hallucination → undesirable output »

                                        Why not a more straighforward "erroneous outpout"?

                                        An undesirable result could a result that is accurate but that is not the one I am looking for. A made-up quote is more than undesirable, it is erroneous.

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                          #77

                                          @emilymbender

                                          « Pronouns are chosen each time, and avoiding pronouns usually reserved for people (and pets), e.g. he, she, and singular they is a good first step. »

                                          Isn't singular they "it"?

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